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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 03-27-2017, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
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Could the 1300 use another gear?

Basically just as the title says. I'm considering checking out a middle-weight v-twin mostly for highway duty and was curious if anyone felt the 1300 needed another gear, or was buzzy, at 75mph or not.
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In my opinion yes. Others have swapped the front pulley and seem to like it.
I spend virtually no time on freeways so it's not an issue for me.
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In my opinion yes. Others have swapped the front pulley and seem to like it.
I spend virtually no time on freeways so it's not an issue for me.
I've got an '85 Honda Nighthawk 650 that I use for in town, commuting, etc. It's plenty fast, but isn't much of a highway mile muncher. Being a smaller guy (5'6" 140 lbs), I don't need a big 1700cc boat. However, I do want something more suited for weekend trips and large enough that the motor doesn't buzz at highway speeds like my dad's Kawi Vulcan 900.

For whatever reason, I wasn't able to dig up much earlier today, but I found this thread on the subject. Dropping it here for reference.
I swapped my 1300 Front Belt Pulley out for a Stryker Front Belt Pulley
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No.

I keep hearing That the 950 and 1300 "needs" another gear.... No they dont.

Yamaha is known for its high rpm engines. Which is what these are.

I cruise mine at 90 on the interstate. Sometimes faster. No issues at all. Never will have.

People "feel" like it needs another gear, when actually, it does not.
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People "feel" like it needs another gear, when actually, it does not.
You answered it right there. If the general consensus is that it feels like the bike needs another gear on the highway, sounds like it could use another gear. Obviously, I can't just drop in another gear in the tranny, but the Stryker gear mod seems to work well for people and would be worth looking into.
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No.

I keep hearing That the 950 and 1300 "needs" another gear.... No they dont.

Yamaha is known for its high rpm engines. Which is what these are.

I cruise mine at 90 on the interstate. Sometimes faster. No issues at all. Never will have.

People "feel" like it needs another gear, when actually, it does not.
i look at it this way if your using less than 60 percent of the engines red line at 75 mph you don't need another gear, my 650 uses over 70 percent of the red line at 75 so i could use another gear, but i can live with it as is because although its revving high at 75 heavy vibration doesn't happen until over 80 which is speeding on highways in my state

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If the question is, "Does it need another gear?" then the answer is No, its perfectly fine the way it is.

If the question is, "Do i want another gear?" then that is your preference.

Out of all the bikes I've wrenched on, the ones with any sort of trans issue seemed to have 6 gears. Whereas the 5 gear trans, are seemingly indestructible.

Now a different tooth count pulley is another beast. Its not another gear at all. Just can reduce the amount of RPMs being turned.

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If the question is, "Does it need another gear?" then the answer is No, its perfectly fine the way it is.
See, that's not the question I asked now, is it? My question was if people felt that the 1300 could use another gear on the highway or not. It has nothing to do with the bike mechanically "needing" it or not. It's simply asking if riders who own the bike feel like it could use another gear or not.

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If the question is, "Do i want another gear?" then that is your preference.
It is, but at the same time, if enough people wanting another gear is relatively common, I'm sure I'll want one too.

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Out of all the bikes I've wrenched on, the ones with any sort of trans issue seemed to have 6 gears. Whereas the 5 gear trans, are seemingly indestructible.
I'm not basing my decision on the number of gears, nor do I particularly care how many gears a bike has. I'm interested in the final drive ratio. I asked it in the manner that I did because it's a much easier question to ask than asking about modifying final drive ratios as that opens the door to a whole 'nother can of worms. Simply asking if a bike feels like it could use another gear or not should be a simple question to answer.

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Now a different tooth count pulley is another beast. Its not another gear at all. Just can reduce the amount of RPMs being turned.
Hence my comment on Stryker pulley mod. I realize I called it a 'gear' instead of a 'pulley', so apologies for confusion on that.

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You can use a speed calculator like this to help with your analysis.
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See, that's not the question I asked now, is it? My question was if people felt that the 1300 could use another gear on the highway or not. It has nothing to do with the bike mechanically "needing" it or not. It's simply asking if riders who own the bike feel like it could use another gear or not.


It is, but at the same time, if enough people wanting another gear is relatively common, I'm sure I'll want one too.


I'm not basing my decision on the number of gears, nor do I particularly care how many gears a bike has. I'm interested in the final drive ratio. I asked it in the manner that I did because it's a much easier question to ask than asking about modifying final drive ratios as that opens the door to a whole 'nother can of worms. Simply asking if a bike feels like it could use another gear or not should be a simple question to answer.


Hence my comment on Stryker pulley mod. I realize I called it a 'gear' instead of a 'pulley', so apologies for confusion on that.
You my find any number of people who feel they are smarter and know more about engine tuning/gearing/engine performace than the engineers and designers who put the 1300 together. In fact there are probably very few that have even a slight resemblence to the above credentials. Unless they do, it would be wise to file their opinions appropriately.

Thinking you want a 6 speed trans....then actually getting one and realizing that you are going to have to shift much more often, that you rarely use 6th gear and when you do you are constantly having to shift into 5th even going up a slight grade....leads me to a very valid point. "Most" people have no clue about the total feasibility of what they are talking about........nor do they understand all of the trade offs that are involved. Just ask any Harley owner that thought having 6 gears was going to be cool.....and how many wish they could go back to 5 or even 4.

The Honda Goldwing only has 5 gears......that's the best selling big cruiser in the world. Doesn't that tell you something? IMO no motorcycle should need more than 5. If it does, I believe they are compensating for a poor overall design.

So again.....my point is that most "opinions" are not based on knowledge or fact. So thinking that just because you heard something on the internet (from people you don't know anything about) makes something a fact..... you're likely to be very disappointed in how things actually turn out. The best best is to go ride one.....see how it feels to you....and make your choice based on your own experience.
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