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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 02-21-2019, 05:17 PM Thread Starter
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Can someone tell me why does Yamaha no longer make the Star models anymore? I see them til 2017. Went to a Yamaha dealership and all they had were Bolts. Were they not selling well so they dropped the line?


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It's a combination of things, but basically, no they were no longer selling like they used to. Sad but true. My theory why is two fold: First, the market has shifted and riders today are moving away from cruisers. Adventure touring bikes are now the next big thing. Secondly, VStars are incredibly reliable and have styling that is timeless. They haven't changed much since they first appeared in '98 or '99. So why would you trade in your 10 year old VStar for a new one that is almost the same bike when there's nothing wrong with the old one? I'm sure a marketing and economics professional would give a much more comprehensive explanation, but I believe that's the gist of it.

As for my trusty old 1100, Yamaha offers nothing now that would entice me to even consider trading her in on a new one.

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NortherRider explained it well. Here's a good read that goes into a little more detail.

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...r-motorcycles/

Those of us here still think the Vstar is one of the best cruiser available today, even used.

Here another interesting read from Consumer Reports to validate that the Vstar was well made and had very few issues



Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki are among the more reliable motorcycle brands. Conversely, Triumph, Ducati, BMW and Can-Am are among the more repair-prone brands. That's what we found based on the feedback of more than 11,000 subscribers reporting on over 12,300 motorcycles purchased new between 2008 and 2014. The graph shows the percentage of motorcycles from each brand that we predict will need a repair by the fourth year of ownership. Our statistical model estimates failure rates for 4-year-old motorcycles not covered by a service contract and adjusts for mileage driven over a 12-month period. The mean annual mileage is around 3,800 among all motorcycles included in this analysis. Differences of fewer than 10 points between brands are not meaningful. Note that models within a brand may vary, and design or manufacture changes may affect future reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair estimate can improve your odds of getting a reliable motorcycle.

Brand
Repairs or Serious Problems
Motorcycles

Yamaha/Star
11%
Suzuki
12%
Honda
12%
Kawasaki
15%
Victory
17%
Harley-Davidson
26%
Triumph
29%
Ducati
33%
BMW
40%
Can-Am
42%
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The last year for US sales for the Vstar was 2016 but in other markets (Canada) the sales continued till 2018.


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I'm an old guy and started riding in the 60's. Harleys were very rare and the only one I saw belonged to a guy I knew. It was an old Harley with a stick shift. Speed was not something we wanted in those days. The 2 stroke bikes were faster but they broke down a lot more often. Now, I see that people want speed and more CCs. I see people who are happy having a bike with 1900 cc engines. That's more than a lot of cars. I had a Toyota station wagon with 4 wheel drive and the motor was only 1300 cc. I wish I wasn't so hard on it because I would love to have it again. In the 60's, big bikes had 650 cc engines. I remember my 1969 Triumph very well. I rode all over the province of Quebec with it. I did not even have a car then. I didn't feel that it lacked speed or strength. Seats on the bikes were high in those days. I could not flat foot on each side of the bike like I can on my V-Star now. I don't know of any highways here in Canada that allow a person to drive faster than 70 mph. Just about any bike can reach that speed. Big engines are so popular and so much in demand that the companies charge more for such bikes. I can't see why. Making a larger motor does not cost very much more except for the cost of the metal. All the parts are the same except a bit bigger. So it goes to show that the motorcycle companies make more profit by making larger engines. Yamaha is going to regret eliminating their cruisers. I may not live to see it. Today's bikes are not made for 2 up riding and hauling baggage. Harley is going to win the race after all.
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I'm an old guy and started riding in the 60's. Harleys were very rare and the only one I saw belonged to a guy I knew. It was an old Harley with a stick shift. Speed was not something we wanted in those days. The 2 stroke bikes were faster but they broke down a lot more often. Now, I see that people want speed and more CCs. I see people who are happy having a bike with 1900 cc engines. That's more than a lot of cars. I had a Toyota station wagon with 4 wheel drive and the motor was only 1300 cc. I wish I wasn't so hard on it because I would love to have it again. In the 60's, big bikes had 650 cc engines. I remember my 1969 Triumph very well. I rode all over the province of Quebec with it. I did not even have a car then. I didn't feel that it lacked speed or strength. Seats on the bikes were high in those days. I could not flat foot on each side of the bike like I can on my V-Star now. I don't know of any highways here in Canada that allow a person to drive faster than 70 mph. Just about any bike can reach that speed. Big engines are so popular and so much in demand that the companies charge more for such bikes. I can't see why. Making a larger motor does not cost very much more except for the cost of the metal. All the parts are the same except a bit bigger. So it goes to show that the motorcycle companies make more profit by making larger engines. Yamaha is going to regret eliminating their cruisers. I may not live to see it. Today's bikes are not made for 2 up riding and hauling baggage. Harley is going to win the race after all.
That may be true but I hope not - I'm a 48 year old guy and the price of the Harley's kinda has me like ummm no thanks. I love the history of the Harleys - I watched their documentary and it was fascinating. I have to admit I got me attracted to Harleys. But when you look at the price and the reliability and the cost of the upkeep has me like ummm no thanks. So what is basically being said is that the Yamaha V Star made their stuff so good they don't sell as well yearly so as result their sales decline so they cancel it. I have been looking around knowing many V Stars are out there for sale - I know their reliability - but the concern for me is how well did their owner keep up with the upkeep. And I agree - Im not looking for speed - but merely reliability and what can literally make it easy for me to move from point A to point B and not struggle - especially on the highways.
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One of the things I love about Star bikes is we will be able to find good used bikes for decades.
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The issue buying any used bike is not necessarily the maintenance question. If you get a bike with about 20k miles on it regardless of age you are only talking about a few oil changes that might not have been on time. The tires will properly be old and need replaced. The biggest maintenance issue is a bike sitting with fuel in it. If it's been any length of time at all you are going to have to go thru the entire fuel system. Search this site and you will see many questions every spring about people's bike not running right. 9 out of 10 times it's a fuel issue. Any bike you might buy make sure and look inside gas tank. If it has rust, walk away unless you are willing to deal with an entire fuel system cleaning. Smell the gas, is it fresh? You will know by smell if it's not. There are other item like brake fluid and air filter but these are easy. Not true 100% of the time but if you want to know if a bike has been sitting for a long time check bottom of bike for cobwebs and rust. Most people will not clean the under side of bike to sell it, only what can easily be seen. All this goes for any bike. I can tell you that many here have bought 8 to 10 year old bike, bring all maintenance items up to date and drive them for years without issues. Good luck on your search.
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Nothing wrong with buying used and like Les said, there are tell tale signs if it's been looked after. I bought mine in 2016 with 16,000 miles on it (it's a 2000 1100 Classic). At the time I didn't know a whole lot about buying a used bike, but I'd looked at a couple that were less money and I stayed away. One was hard to start and I remember the owner giving it a lot of throttle to get it running. I didn't know about the starter clutch issues then and I probably dodged a bullet not getting that one.

When I went to see the one I bought I could tell that it had been cared for and in talking to the (second) owner I could see he was very meticulous about his house, garage, his cars, and his motorcycle. Since then I've about doubled the mileage and I've continued looking after it with regular maintenance and proper winter storage. Other than the rectifier going and frying my battery the first spring I rode it, it has never given me any problems. Maybe I just got lucky and found a good one, but it pays to be patient and shop around. Yamaha sold a pile of Stars and there are still plenty out there to choose from.
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the upkeep is easy: if they dont have their maintenance records written in the owners manual, or they dont have shop records, then as far as you are concerned, it was NEVER done.

there are three easy ways to ruin a motorcycle:

1. let it run out of oil and keep riding
2. never change the oil or filter
3. rev it up near the red line, then kick it down a gear and let the clutch out. Usually the pistons mash the valves.

the less destructive thing people do is store the bike without a fuel stabilizer, then your gas tank and carbs are full of goop and must be cleaned, or store the bike with and empty tank, that then turns into rust.
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