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post #1 of 38 (permalink) Old 11-21-2015, 05:23 PM Thread Starter
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lean in turns?

so i'm re-examining my whole philosophy on leans in turns and curves. i want to start over from scratch. the way i've always felt and was taught was that you move the motorcycle underneath you, not your body. which i still believe is mostly true for cruiser motorcycles, but there's some area for body lean, and that's what i want to re-discover. so how much body lean do you guys use? how much do you increase your body lean with tighter curves or higher speeds? do you even think about it?

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I started learning about leaning/turning intially from riding dirt bikes as a kid. A few months ago a member made reference to David Houghs books entitled 'Proficient Motorcycling'. I've read the first one and half of volume #2. I highly recommend both as they will help in leaning and turning. Helped me a lot, especially in learning to use the front brakes more efficiently. Just my input.
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Your body should actually be on the inside of the bike while cornering. The result is that you are leaning more than the bike. Dragging pegs and what not is a result of poor riding. Your bike actually has maximum traction and control at the least lean angle. It really doesn't matter if it's a sportbike or cruiser. Support yourself with your knees. Find a class like Total Control.
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I scrape constantly. CONSTANTLY. But all we have here in AR are windy hilly two lane wooden highways. Floorboard pads, the brackets themselves when the floorboard is fully pivoted up, and even the crash bars.

When turning hard,and on this bike doing 60 in a sugested 30 around a good curve, I just push the inside handle forward, and push the bike down hard, and tell the bike "lean Bitch!" So I guess mostly, I don't do much with the body.

If its important enough, I'd say find a track, and a class. A guy on my local bike forum rides sport bikes, said track time, and a teacher has made a night and day difference on learning how to take curves. If I had the time, and it was closer, I'd love to do it.

The 950Ts just have an awful clearance to boot. And its been worse since my new tires.
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i scrape constantly as well. the 950's setup causes scraping more than any other bike i've ever heard of. and mine is lowered 2.25". but there is a difference in sportbike riding versus cruiser riding in the turns. exhibits A & B below:






these were both on the Tail Of The Dragon. i couldn't find a single photo where a cruiser rider had a leaning knee extended out or the body leaning significantly over more than the bike. i have always tried to sit upright and limit my body lean as i tilt the bike to and fro, but i think this may have been hindering me more than helping. i might check out those books you mentioned. applying your front brake sounds like you're dabbling in trail breaking a little, something else i've been interested in recently and trying to become more proficient. so how much body lean is determined by your speed? how much is determined by the angle of the curve? is this just something you guys just go on feel? do you guys actively try to lean your body over with your bike? or are you like me and try to limit your body lean? do you tend to hug your tank with your knees in the turns?
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For me it all depends on the curve, the road surface and condition. And also whether or not I'm alone or have the old lady aboard. Seems like some corners require that you hold back a little, while others are there just for ya to lay into them. Oh yea, and if I'm feelin frisky or not. But mostly I don't give it alot of thought while I'm ridin unless a really sharp curve sneaks up on me. Just enjoy the ride.
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i couldn't find a single photo where a cruiser rider had a leaning knee extended out or the body leaning significantly over more than the bike. i have always tried to sit upright and limit my body lean as i tilt the bike to and fro, but i think this may have been hindering me more than helping. i might check out those books you mentioned. applying your front brake sounds like you're dabbling in trail breaking a little, something else i've been interested in recently and trying to become more proficient. so how much body lean is determined by your speed? how much is determined by the angle of the curve? is this just something you guys just go on feel? do you guys actively try to lean your body over with your bike? or are you like me and try to limit your body lean? do you tend to hug your tank with your knees in the turns?
Hey Bevo, Most of your questions are answered in the Advanced Rider Course offered by the MSF. You don't see it on the road because, it has not been learned nor is it practiced by many.

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Hey Bevo, Most of your questions are answered in the Advanced Rider Course offered by the MSF. You don't see it on the road because, it has not been learned nor is it practiced by many.

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I've taken the basic an advanced course from MSF. It doesn't dabble in trying to hit the turns hard, not like sport bike riding, leaning over the seat, etc. Just riding safe in them, braking in curves, the ideas of traction and braking in curves, etc. However- I'm sure instructors teachings change from class to class, outside of the basics.



This is just me, I'm a new rider, take it for what its worth. Front braking a turn will DROP your front forks and you'll scrape worse, and you will scrape like crazy, it will also lighten/raise your rear and remove traction to that rear wheel.

You slow before the turn, and accelerate during the turn (lightly). That's MSF 101. That will keep your suspension as high as possible, and gain traction and balance through the turn.

Bevo, we just hit the limits on these bikes is all. Hell my 06 Vstar 650 didn't scrape like the 950 does. I wanna corner harder and can't. I've had enough butt puckering trying to push this bike, turning hard and fast on a curve, bottoming my suspension out and scraping a hard part is no fun, it acts like a fulcrum and removes weight/traction from the tire as your scraping (hard scrape, not the board). The 950 is going to the wife for her "new" bike. I'm going to be looking soon for something else.

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