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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 12-04-2015, 12:43 AM Thread Starter
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i urge you to go to the comments of this clip on youtube. the level of support for the SUV's actions is overwhelmingly greater than for the bikers. i'm shocked. so who is right here? should the SUV be allowed to drive past them? should this parade be allowed to take up more than one lane and block him? btw, project 22 is a movement to honor and raise awareness for combat veterans.

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First thing that comes to my mind is the Jeep got what he deserved when the LOE stopped him. But then when I think about it...a couple things come to mind. First off, out of courtesy the Jeep should have yielded to the pack just like you would a funeral or the like. But was the rode closed, marked or anything like that? Was there signage up stating what the group was doing or why? What I getting at was if the Jeep just happened to drive up on what he conceived as a large group of bikes hogging the rd. then that may explain why he tried to go around. I do disagree with what the riders did though. If he is that determined to go around then move over and let the jerk through. No need put yourself or more folks in danger by elevating tempers and aggression. Let the cops take care of the situation. Apparently they were with the group anyway.

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number one the jeep was trying to pass on the right which is not legal and number two he was being aggressive about it. in most states if not all, you can only pass on the right if the car in front is signaling a left turn or if your on a multilane highway. (limited access) also this jerk was driving on the grass to pass on the right. i hope he got a reckless driving ticket which in my state is an automatic suspension .

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It is hard to say who is more wrong in the initial parts of the video.......there's enough to go around possibly.

Without knowing if the parade was legal it is hard to say the bikers were less wrong. What authority did they have to block the vehicle UNLESS it is a legal parade with police escort? If a legal parade with police escort, the jeep driver was more wrong for being there in the first place somehow by passing police traffic control. Police escort should have handled the issue before it ever deteriorated. The video doesn't provide these details.

The jeep driver's subsequent actions were definitely illegal and irresponsible when passing on the right, damage to public property, careless and reckless, reckless endangerment. The driver should have known there was no passing in that kind of traffic no matter that the traffic was motorcycles in a parade or not. Obviously a complete lack of common sense on the Jeep driver's part.

It just isn't clear under what authority the parade had to block the vehicle.

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at the end of the clip you see a police officer on a bike stopping the SUV just as the bikers had attempted to do. by this you know it was a police escorted parade.

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at the end of the clip you see a police officer on a bike stopping the SUV just as the bikers had attempted to do. by this you know it was a police escorted parade.
I do not know it was police escorted. I know a police officer appeared and stopped the Jeep. There weren't police controlling traffic at the intersection and I've watched a couple of times looking for other LEO presence.

It may have been police monitored but it did not appear to be police escorted or a traffic controlled parade.

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you were asking if it were a legal parade. with the LEO getting in front of the SUV so quickly he had to have been assisting with them or riding with them from the back in some fashion. if it were not a 'legal' parade, then they would have been pulling over bikers for running through traffic lights. i've been in the ROT rally bike parade several times. it covers several miles heading into downtown Austin and the route passes through countless side streets. even with such a huge and well planned undertaking, not every single street gets blocked at the route. what these bikers are doing in this clip is nowhere near as big or organized as this so i doubt they would be blocking off too many streets for it. and this would help explain why, instead, they simply have some LEO bikers riding with them.

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As short as the provided video is, it's hard to know what happened prior to what you see.
I'm going to assume the bikers were trying to protect the rest of the group from the Jeep. If it was a police escorted parade, the Jeep was blatantly in the wrong. Because the motor officer quickly responded leads me to think it was an approved parade. If not, the Jeep should have at least recognized a group ride and yielded to the bikers and backed off and not try to drive around or thru them.
Had I personally witnessed the Jeeps actions in my county, I'd have stopped the Jeep, arrested the driver for reckless driving, improper lane usage, and reckless endangerment. The Jeep would have been towed, and the driver's insurance would have doubled upon conviction of the traffic charges. Unfortunately I see blatant disregard for other people/driver's daily, which is why we have the second highest fatality rate in the state.
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you were asking if it were a legal parade. with the LEO getting in front of the SUV so quickly he had to have been assisting with them or riding with them from the back in some fashion. if it were not a 'legal' parade, then they would have been pulling over bikers for running through traffic lights. i've been in the ROT rally bike parade several times. it covers several miles heading into downtown Austin and the route passes through countless side streets. even with such a huge and well planned undertaking, not every single street gets blocked at the route. what these bikers are doing in this clip is nowhere near as big or organized as this so i doubt they would be blocking off too many streets for it. and this would help explain why, instead, they simply have some LEO bikers riding with them.
i never asked if it were legal, read my post. I said IF and UNLESS it was a legal parade..... In my experience there is a major difference between a parade (your word) and a ride. Parades have police escort and traffic control, rides not necessarily. Rides generally follow traffic laws including stop signs and stop lights UNLESS the ride has traffic control. Traffic control was not apparent in the video nor is official police escort. The most that can be gathered from the video is that there was a police officer present close enough to see the actions of the jerk in the SUV.

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well you can call it whatever you want, but the fact that a LEO biker is riding with them and then proceeded to stop the SUV exactly as the bikers had been trying to do shows me that the police are allowing them to block that lane and proceed through traffic lights unabated. if this wasn't allowed, then he should have stopped the bikers from trying to impede traffic in that lane.

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