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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-03-2018, 03:50 PM Thread Starter
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The four 14 mm Fender/back end bolts...

If you own an SVTC, there are 2 black headed 14 mm bolts that can be seen snug to the fender side, if you open up your tops of the side cases. One of my bolts on the right hand side of the bike, and the forward one, had come loose, and was almost out far enough, for the head of the bolt to touch the inside face of the right side bag lift cover.

The Eluder does NOT have the two bolts mentioned, on either side of the fender...only the SVTC, or standard SV.

Now, the funny thing is...that I could not even turn it out or in, with my fingers, or when they were in a glove, but yet, seemingly, the bolt had turned itself out to the point that the 14 mm head, was just going to contact (!!!!!!!!) the inside lip of the saddle bag cover. I grabbed a 14 mm socket and wrenched it back snug to the fender, and then did a 14 mm torque rating (24 foot pounds) on all four bolts. On my left side, the aft bolt was loose enough, that I could easily turn it with no amount of torque to break a good tightness.

So..folks,...check those four bolts right away...before your next ride. If any of them back out, as you ride, they will eventually come in contact with the inside lip of your saddle bag covers...and start to dig in, through bike movement, and cause blemish damage, let alone that whatever components are held together (mating surfaces) by those bolts, of course, will not be secured.

I'm going to keep an eye on those four bolts...two on each side of the fenders...and make sure they stay properly torqued, at least once a month during the riding season!!!

Post Edit: I'd be curious to want to know, if anybody else after reading this post...sees that any one of those four bolts were loose, or even backing out, on their own SVTC. If so...please post that info on this thread,...so we can see that this will require the attention of all owners, and after the fact, periodically....

Just a FYI!
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post #2 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-07-2018, 10:23 AM
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One of mine was loose. I opened the left saddle bag lid and the bolt pulled right out. Someone over tightened the bolt and stripped out the threads.

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Here is my bolt
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post #4 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-07-2018, 10:30 AM
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The first thing I would want to know is what is their function?
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I believe its the mounting bolt for the trunk

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Here is my bolt

Wow...sorry to read this...!

..as I stated, one of mine, the right forward was turning out, and about to touch the inside lip of the right saddle bag!

When I torqued it home, it accepted the proper 24 ftlb's...

The other three snugged up. I imagine that you are going right back to your dealer...to demand a retap and repair! !?!?!?

They can take it all apart and put in a repair 'heli-coil'...just as when someone strips out the spark plug hole.

I think everybody needs to check their four 14 mm bolts......try torquing them to 24 foot lbs...you'll find out soon enough if your dealer cross threaded, or outright stripped the threads...

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Called them this morning and talked to the owner. I sent him a email with pictures so he can see them. Of course i have to bring it in. I rather have a new part ordered than having them repair it. I will see. Going to bring it in on Tuesday if its not raining. And it has been for the last three days. Sucks!!
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Called them this morning and talked to the owner. I sent him a email with pictures so he can see them. Of course i have to bring it in. I rather have a new part ordered than having them repair it. I will see. Going to bring it in on Tuesday if its not raining. And it has been for the last three days. Sucks!!
Well...if the threads have stripped out on the aux aluminum sub frame (and by the colorization of those threads, it seems to be that part of the bike.., I doubt they will give you an entire sub-frame, if a heli-coil will do the trick. They are a pretty strong and fail-safe repair...being they were designed to fix stripped out Spark Plug holes.

I hope you get the best outcome, for obviously this was absolute negligence on the part of the Dealer's tech staff. What I was surprised though by..was that there seems so little of the threaded section of the bolt...that engages the threads of the tapped hole in the frame boss. I would (for comparison, carefully, on the right hands side of the bike, back out and remove one of those, for a thread contact depth comparison. When you tried (I assume) to re-seat that loose bolt, did it just keep turning, which tipped you off, it was stripped?

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Called them this morning and talked to the owner. I sent him a email with pictures so he can see them. Of course i have to bring it in. I rather have a new part ordered than having them repair it. I will see. Going to bring it in on Tuesday if its not raining. And it has been for the last three days. Sucks!!
Yep,, that does suck.. I am with you @hunter6462 ,, if it were my new $26,000 1st model year bike and I found that, I would absolutely be inquiring about new replacement parts - especially now that we know that those bolts are a suspected issue.. My experience has been that Heli-Coil's are o.k. BUT it is not uncommon for them to "follow" a bolt back out of the repaired hole = DEFINITELY not as good as new.. I would rather over size the hole and retap but, come on,, we are talking about a 26000 dollar new scoot - not some mini-bike...
Sic em and please let us know how you come out!!!
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Called them this morning and talked to the owner. I sent him a email with pictures so he can see them. Of course i have to bring it in. I rather have a new part ordered than having them repair it. I will see. Going to bring it in on Tuesday if its not raining. And it has been for the last three days. Sucks!!
Yep,, that does suck.. I am with you @hunter6462 ,, if it were my new $26,000 1st model year bike and I found that, I would absolutely be inquiring about new replacement parts - especially now that we know that those bolts are a suspected issue.. My experience has been that Heli-Coil's are o.k. BUT it is not uncommon for them to "follow" a bolt back out of the repaired hole = DEFINITELY not as good as new.. I would rather over size the hole and retap but, come on,, we are talking about a 26000 dollar new scoot - not some mini-bike...
Sic em [IMG class=inlineimg]/forums/images/StarbikeForums_2015/smilies/tango_face_wink.png[/IMG] and please let us know how you come out!!!
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