Good day, everyone!
I'm in FULL agreement about courtesy to fellow members. It's their IDEAS or OPINIONS that HAVE to be open to criticism, otherwise, we have no basis for intelligent discourse.
I thought I had restricted my criticism to these elements, but if I offended anyone by disparaging their character, I'll apologize. Did anyone complain? Specifically about my comment "about them"?
Here's the problem with shutting down my comments about LOUD PIPES.
1. FIRST AND FOREMOST: As was stated by the moderator, the ENTIRE Forum is based on the premise that members "...must agree to treat others with basic courtesy at all times."
Much like civilization's longest standing "golden rule": do unto others...etc.
By definition, LOUD PIPES violate this principle, are NOT courteous and are therefore contrary to the stated principles of the site.
SOME people DO like listening to their OWN loud pipes. However, VERY FEW people, if any (especially NON-bikers, who are, 92% of the population, (https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/201...ange-for-2018/
) like listening to the sound of anyone ELSE'S loud pipes.
2. Forum rules refer to "races, nationality, creed, religion, etc". I'm pretty sure I made no such reference.
Forum rules refer to "personal attacks", using "terms such as “stupid, idiot, moron etc.” I don't think I made such a comment about ANY forum member...but if I did, I apologize.
3. I'm not sure who posed the original question, but if we want to find out what anybody and everybody thinks of loud pipes, let's use SurveyMonkey or Zoho Survey and ask some key, measurable questions, like...
a) do you like loud pipes
b) do you think the 92% of North Americans who do not own motorcycles are more likely to agree with you... or disagree with you
c) do you think loud pipes are more likely to create a good impression, or a bad impression of motorcyclists in the car-driving public
d) why do you like loud pipes... 1. you like the sound, 2. you think they make you easier to "detect" by car-drivers therefore make you safer, 3. you like to "raise hell" and get attention wherever you drive
e) if it were proven to you that loud pipes do NOT reduce accidents, would you be likely to own quieter pipes
f) whose scientific data would you believe, if any, when it came to publishing information about any safety or social factors related to loud pipes vs quiet pipes and what the pros and cons of each might be
I've been riding for over 55 years.
I'm a certified instructor of the Canada Safety Council's 'Gearing Up' Motorcycle Safety Training program which is an affiliate of the US Motorcycle Safety Foundation, the largest trainer for safe motorcycling on the continent.
I'm a past president of Canada's most esteemed Motorcycle Racing Club, member of the Canadian Motorcycle Association and active member of the Motorcycle and Moped Industry Council.
In short, I know whereof I speak. And here are the two things my vast and varied motorcycle experience has taught me:
1. Loud pipes do not save lives
2. Loud pipes create bad will and poor public relations between the 8 out of 100 people who DO ride and the 92 who don't.
Loud pipes are a ZERO SUM GAME.
Anyone who believes they have the right to inflict the sound THEY love on the ears of virtually everybody else within miles who DOESN'T is no less inconsiderate and misguided than the person who thinks he has the right to set off fireworks or play ZZ Top at concert-level volume, in their back yard, anytime night or day, without regard for the right to peace and quiet of their neighbours.
If you DO have loud pipes, think about it. That's all I ask.