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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 05-29-2014, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
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What speeds do you generally shift up on a 650?

First off, I do realize shifting up is supposed to be based on RPMs and not speed. But obviously there is no tachometer.

I just got the bike last Saturday and the only bike I've rode before was a Honda Rebel in the MSF class. We only went up to 2nd gear and max speeds of like 18-20 mph in the class.

I was shocked at the super low speeds given in the Yamaha manual for shifting.

I think it says 3rd gear at 15 mph, 4th at 20 mph, and 5th at 25 mph.

Are these supposed to be minimums? I'm wondering if this advice is just for a highway on-ramp. Or should I really be in 5th gear on a 35 mph road?

I saw that the manual also says to try not to open the throttle wide for long periods of time for the first 1,000 miles. Is shifting at such low speeds part of a strategy for keeping RPMs down?

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I don't recall when I tend to shift, but I have two comments that might help. First gear on these bikes is really low. I find I'm shifting to 2nd pretty quit (when i'm turning left from a stop I'm looking at 2nd before I complete the turn). I find when I'm in a 25 mph zone if I stay in 3rd I don't speed. I think I shift to 5th somewhere around 40 mph ( depending on if I'm accelerating or just crusing anong. (I start looking for 6th at about 50 (;-{)>

I don't know if these are good habits or not and maybe someone with more knowledge will comment. Have fun!

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I don't recall when I tend to shift, but I have two comments that might help. First gear on these bikes is really low. I find I'm shifting to 2nd pretty quit (when i'm turning left from a stop I'm looking at 2nd before I complete the turn). I find when I'm in a 25 mph zone if I stay in 3rd I don't speed. I think I shift to 5th somewhere around 40 mph ( depending on if I'm accelerating or just crusing anong. (I start looking for 6th at about 50 (;-{)>

I don't know if these are good habits or not and maybe someone with more knowledge will comment. Have fun!
I'm new myself, but I find your shifting speeds to be pretty spot on!

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I'm with Blue, at least pull over first.
Everything has a recommended shift point. (that's so the morons don't drive 55 in 1st gear) Cars have shift indicator lights but I never paid any attention to them. If you have ever driven anything with a manual transmission you know what I mean. You can tell by both available power and engine speed if you are in the correct gear. Shift when it feels right. That's what I have always done. If the manual says shift at 35 and you shift at 38 you ain't gonna break anything.
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Most, if not all, manufactures tell you to shift at these ridiculous speeds because the government puts ridiculous restraints on fuel economy and such. Going strictly off the numbers will be the optimal fuel economy ON PAPER, then they can meet the ridiculous requirements. But in the real world, we all know this is absolutely absurd. I have never gone by these numbers because the engine is lugging too much, and I still exceed the advertised fuel economy numbers.
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I do shift to 2nd as fast as possible. I actually wondered if it was common for people to shift to 2nd as they are turning left from a stop sign or red light.

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I don't recall when I tend to shift, but I have two comments that might help. First gear on these bikes is really low. I find I'm shifting to 2nd pretty quit (when i'm turning left from a stop I'm looking at 2nd before I complete the turn). I find when I'm in a 25 mph zone if I stay in 3rd I don't speed. I think I shift to 5th somewhere around 40 mph ( depending on if I'm accelerating or just crusing anong. (I start looking for 6th at about 50 (;-{)>

I don't know if these are good habits or not and maybe someone with more knowledge will comment. Have fun!
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Most, if not all, manufactures tell you to shift at these ridiculous speeds because the government puts ridiculous restraints on fuel economy and such. Going strictly off the numbers will be the optimal fuel economy ON PAPER, then they can meet the ridiculous requirements. But in the real world, we all know this is absolutely absurd. I have never gone by these numbers because the engine is lugging too much, and I still exceed the advertised fuel economy numbers.
That explanation actually makes a lot of sense.
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The manual also basically says downshifting is dangerous and to do all your downshifting at 16 mph. I assume this is just a liability thing.
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That will ruin a pair of pants for the entire trip.

A little experience will help you get the feel for the sweet spot for shiFting. The MOM tends to be low for shIFt speeds. The worst thing you can do is lug the engine. A little over reving won't hurt occasionally.

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