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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-04-2015, 08:49 PM Thread Starter
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Ok, I have dilemma here in TX. They just passed a law here in Texas regarding passenger safety. If you have a passenger on your bike you must have rear foot pegs and "hand holds" for them. Foot pegs are on my bike so no problem. But this hand hold thing has me at a loss. I have an 07 650 Classic and can't seem to find these things anywhere. I have looked under the possible names (grip rails, hand rails, hand holds, grip holds, and just about any other names that they might be called.) I have a Trooper friend that I asked about this earlier and he told me that it needs to be something that the passenger can close their hand totally around and that they could do it on the sissy bar he wouldn't have a problem but some others might. Does anyone know where I might purchase these things if they make them for the Vstar?
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Ok, I have dilemma here in TX. They just passed a law here in Texas regarding passenger safety. If you have a passenger on your bike you must have rear foot pegs and "hand holds" for them. Foot pegs are on my bike so no problem. But this hand hold thing has me at a loss. I have an 07 650 Classic and can't seem to find these things anywhere. I have looked under the possible names (grip rails, hand rails, hand holds, grip holds, and just about any other names that they might be called.) I have a Trooper friend that I asked about this earlier and he told me that it needs to be something that the passenger can close their hand totally around and that they could do it on the sissy bar he wouldn't have a problem but some others might. Does anyone know where I might purchase these things if they make them for the Vstar?
Doesn't your bike have the seat strap that crosses over the seat between the driver and passenger? This wouldn't look bad at all and they say it will fit the vstar 650.
http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/sm...art/CWI-05-291

Only other thought would be take your bike to a local machine shop and explain your needs and have them make a set that bolts on the arches on the side of the rear fender, paint to match or send out for chrome. Who knows maybe you could hook up with other Texas riders with the same problem and have several sets made at once.Good Luck.
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I just read an article not very detailed but just a wild guess seeing how the girl that died was 19 I am just going to assume she was on the back of a crotch rocket with no sissy bar and some guy trying to show off. That sucks.... Have you spoke to a local dealer? I assume if they are still wanting to so motorcycles in Texas they would have to have all new motorcycles and used ones with a passenger pillion retrofitted with these mods or a larger number of solo seats will be ordered. Be very interested to see what options come up

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so it's OK for dealers to keep selling cruisers without these grips?

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I'm interested to see what you come with, since I have the same problem (although my state doesn't mandate them). My boy doesn't feel comfortable riding without something to hang onto. I don't have the rear seat strap since I replaced with a Mustang seat. Right now, all he does is hang onto the sissy bar vertical piece (with his arms behind him), so that isn't ideal at all. I did consider mounting chrome cabinet pulls (oversized) like in the Amazon link below to the sissy bar bracket that's attached to the rear fender, but never got around to it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On edit, below are a few other possibilities. Although they aren't stated as fitting a Vstar, perhaps a shop can bend them to fit the rear fender curvature. I tried the first one myself last year on a different bike (2008 Suzuki C50T), but they seemed a bit too large and got in the way of my boy's legs while sitting on the bike.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/Drag-Specialti...WHX0WVKT6R02M2

Please let us know if you find anything better.

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My '09 V Star came with a strap running across the seat between the driver and passenger. They are widely available on ebay since most of us took them off (guess I will have to put mine back)

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...strap&_sacat=0

Odd thing is, myself and my passengers have never felt safe or comfortable holding onto a strap or a sissy bar. My wife and daughter feel much better holding onto me at the waist and grabbing my belt. As long as I am on the bike, they are on the bike and if I "leave" the bike, I don't think they want to be holding onto the bike any longer.

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Mine came with the strap as well not sure what it was since it's so tight against the seat figured it was more for spare gloves or just looks. I've been reading more into this since I have a coworker who is planning a trip down to Texas i. The spring. She was very concerned when I showed her the possible fines. It seems this mostly applicable for sport bikes without sissy bars. Is there any info that confirms it applies to cruisers? This coworker her and her husband are gold wing riders they were in an accident about 2 years ago both were hurt bad but recovered except her husbands leg still has some pain. She flew 20 ft from their bike when the car hit them. In her opinion if she had hand holds on the goldwing it would have done nothing since the force of the impact threw her off its not like griping anything would have kept her on the bike.

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In April 2010, Bullock was riding on the back of her boyfriend's motorcycle when it crashed into a ditch and hit a road sign.
So they think that handholds on that bike would have saved her?!? This is just another stupid 'feel good' law that was driven by emotion instead of logic and will do absolutely nothing to make anyone safer. Where were all the bikers when this was passed?

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Here is the text of the bill in what appears to be its final form. For those who may not be familiar with how bills are marked up as they pass through legislation, strike-throughs are deletions and underlined text is new text.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/HB03838S.htm


"Handholds" does not appear to be defined in this section of the law. If it is not defined anywhere in Texas law then you could mount a 4" braided leather strap to each side of the passenger seat and call them handholds. The law states nothing about there use, only that they have to be on bikes designed to carry a passenger. Let me put that another way. The law states how the motorcycle must be outfitter. It does not address how the motorcycle must be operated. IANAL.

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Here is the text of the bill in what appears to be its final form. For those who may not be familiar with how bills are marked up as they pass through legislation, strike-throughs are deletions and underlined text is new text.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/HB03838S.htm


"Handholds" does not appear to be defined in this section of the law. If it is not defined anywhere in Texas law then you could mount a 4" braided leather strap to each side of the passenger seat and call them handholds. The law states nothing about there use, only that they have to be on bikes designed to carry a passenger. Let me put that another way. The law states how the motorcycle must be outfitter. It does not address how the motorcycle must be operated. IANAL.
I find it ironic that hand holds/grabrails for passengers got this much attention since as mentioned before there's no way a passenger is gonna be prevented from being tossed during impact. Also in a state that is a no helmet required state if your over 21.
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