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  1. YamahaParExcellence
    11-07-2018 03:01 PM - permalink
    YamahaParExcellence
    Tony...the '19 is revealed...so thank gawd, lol...we aren't one-year-wonders...lol. But...having said that....I do not like the look of the front end of the fairing. The LED eyebrows don't work for me...and if that Plexiglas panel takes a hit from stones...you will have to replace it immediately, for if not, that light indent behind the panel, will take on water, dirt, etc....I like our Barracuda 'round' and small target head lights much better. But...two things...we aren't orphans...and I think that those that love the '60's 70's classic look of the '18, will decided to go for our bikes, in resale, rather than the '19 look. There are going to be many that like what they did for '19...but also, many that will not....and that is our re-sale/trade in Ace in the hand...
  2. American
    09-10-2018 06:34 AM - permalink
    American
    Stay safe and do what you think is best for your motorcycle and engine.
  3. American
    09-10-2018 06:34 AM - permalink
    American
    Just wanted to point out the JASO standard and why some oils are no longer showing the MA certification on their packaging. Redline does not state they are JASO certified but they do state their oil works with the JASO MA standard. They can't be certified solely because of the Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) counts are above the current standards of 800 PPM to 1,000 PPM, a standard that is not compatible with flat tappet engine designs.

    That does not mean every flat tappet engine will suffer failure, but history has proven there will be many flat tappet engines that do fail, the question is will yours be one of them if you run the new oils with reduced levels of Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP), that question was already answered once on your engine and it looks like two others. I am sticking with Redline and higher Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) in my engine.
  4. American
    09-10-2018 06:27 AM - permalink
    American
    I ran the Yamalube 15w-50 for 1,342 miles and then changed it because I just did not like the way the engine/primary/transmission was responding with it. I installed Redline 10w-40 motorcycle oil in the engine at that point and ran it up to the 8,000 mile service and changed it again with Redline 10w-40.

    My engine has only ran Yamalube oils for a total of 2,342 miles while I have run Redline synthetic oils for a total of 6,478 miles almost three times the distance of the Yamalube oils. I currently have 8,820 miles on the motorcycle. Outside of the first 1,000 miles I know my engine has had Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) lever above 1,500 PPM, I don't know what the ZDDP count is in Yamalube 10w-40 conventional oil.
  5. American
    09-10-2018 06:20 AM - permalink
    American
    Here is the difference with your engine and mine in regards to oil, you used Yamalube 10w-40 conventional oil up to your 8,000 mile service and you suffered cam/lifter failure.

    I used Yamalube 10w-40 conventional oil for the first 600 miles then it was put in again by the dealer and I ran it until the 1,000 mile mark before I changed to Redline 20w-50, the Redline 20w-50 performed better than did the Yamalube 10w-40 and was in the engine for 3,000 miles until the 4,000 mile service where Yamalube 15w-50 full synthetic was supposed to be put in.
  6. American
    09-10-2018 06:16 AM - permalink
    American
    In order for these companies to print the JASO MA certification on their bottles or to say they are JASO certified they have to comply with the reduced Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) levels of the current standard. Nothing has really changed with the oils as far as their MA, MA1 or MA2 ratings are concerned other than they can't use that on their bottles unless the oil complies with the reduced Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) standard.

    No manufacture is beyond making mistakes, Yamaha proved that in having to repair the first several hundred Star Venture/Eluder's off the assembly line. Then we have the three confirmed cases of cam/lifter failure yours being one of them and you used Yamalube 10w-40.
  7. American
    09-10-2018 06:11 AM - permalink
    American
    I have one last thought on these oils and I will be done with the topic, you know it was the EPA that forced the API to reduce the amount of Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) in automotive oils. JASO is a Japanese rating but that is what everyone goes by for motorcycle oils. More and more motorcycle are now having to install catalytic converters and it appears the EPA is forcing JASO to follow suit with what the API had to do and are now lowing the amount of Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP).

    For most engines it won't hurt them because they are not flat tappet designs like our Yamaha 1854 V-Twin so they can run the reduced Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) oils without issue.
  8. American
    09-10-2018 04:05 AM - permalink
    American
    It is cheap insurance to just run an oil with more than 1,500 PPM of ZDDP in the first place than to risk running an oil with reduced ZDDP and your bike ends up in the shop having the cam and lifters replaced.

    This is a known problem with flat tappet style engines and oils with reduced ZDDP. This is kind of like the old Fram oil filter commercials "You can pay me now or you can pay me later".

    I decided to pay the man now and use an oil with enough ZDDP to protect the flat tappet cam/lifter system.
  9. American
    09-10-2018 04:01 AM - permalink
    American
    The problem is the pressure at the contact point of the lifter and the cam lobe is the highest pressure point in an engine and ZDDP is what allowed the flat tappet cam and lifter to work, the ZDDP provided the anti wear protection needed.

    I posted a link from an engine building site on the other forum that explains this as well while that site is more for high performance engine builds the information still applies.

    These Yamaha engines are using one cam lobe and one lifter to operate two valves and two valve springs at the same time that is like a high performance valve spring or heavy duty valve spring and there is where the ZDDP anti wear additive is needed.

    Look everyone can run what ever oil they want, I posted the information about the importance of ZDDP to this style of cam/lifter valve train, there have been three recored failures of the cam/lifter but how many have their been where the owners don't post on forums?
  10. American
    09-10-2018 03:57 AM - permalink
    American
    Be careful with your oil choices Tony, just because it is a Yamaha oil does not mean it will provide the proper protection. If the chart is correct that DuRon posted and I have no desire to argue with DuRon and Cowpuc again, but if that chart is current then it looks like the EPA has now turned their sites to motorcycle oils and are now making them remove ZDDP (Phosphorus and Zinc down to the same levels of between 800 PPM and 1,000 PPM which is what created the problem with automobile engines that run flat tappet cam and lifter systems.

    The oil companies claim that those new formulations will work with older flat tappet engines IF they have the OEM valve springs but even that has been disputed as there have been many failures of flat tappet cams/lifters in engines with OEM valve springs.

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    Retired Navy Chief (1998) & Ordained Reverend. Married 30 yrs.
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