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I’d heard about the issues with the M8, but I’m not really surprised at the lack of quality of engineering. I simply don’t get the lure of wanting an HD and this is no reflection of any of our members that choose to own. I say that based on the experience many of my friends that have owned one. No longer can they say they’re 100% made in America. Then Yamaha comes along and drops the Vstar line being the most reliable bikes. I guess I’ll be buying used Vstars that have been well taken care of by previous owners for as long as I choose to ride.
I saw yesterday on the way home a 2007 650 with 7800 miles on it for sale. Super clean, aftermarket exhaust, and small upgrades. $2500 or best offer, and you can tell it was garage kept.



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I’d heard about the issues with the M8, but I’m not really surprised at the lack of quality of engineering. I simply don’t get the lure of wanting an HD and this is no reflection of any of our members that choose to own. I say that based on the experience many of my friends that have owned one. No longer can they say they’re 100% made in America. Then Yamaha comes along and drops the Vstar line being the most reliable bikes. I guess I’ll be buying used Vstars that have been well taken care of by previous owners for as long as I choose to ride.
I saw yesterday on the way home a 2007 650 with 7800 miles on it for sale. Super clean, aftermarket exhaust, and small upgrades. $2500 or best offer, and you can tell it was garage kept.



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Those are nice bikes, but too small for me Keith. I like having a bit more there even if f I’m riding solo.
 

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Those are nice bikes, but too small for me Keith. I like having a bit more there even if f I’m riding solo.
Even after more than three years with the 650 Custom, I have no wish for a larger bike. After all, this one does everything that I need it to do, and does it very well. It's reliable, comfortable, looks amazing, has more than ample low-end torque, and can get me a speeding ticket in no time flat. The way I look at it, if I was to get a larger bike the increased insurance premium just might remove the perma-grin from my face!

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Absolutely Nurteaff! You pay your money, you take your pick. My take on it is pretty simple, they’re a cookie cutter brand, everyone has either owned or currently owns one. They’re good bikes no doubt, but their issues are well documented. I’m sure they’ve gotten better over the years, but in my opinion when you pay top dollar for one, you should get top dollar quality. The HD’s we rode in the MSF course I took in Southaven when I still lived in North Ms, was the most uncomfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. I simply don’t understand the lure for the name.


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Absolutely Nurteaff! You pay your money, you take your pick. My take on it is pretty simple, they’re a cookie cutter brand, everyone has either owned or currently owns one. They’re good bikes no doubt, but their issues are well documented. I’m sure they’ve gotten better over the years, but in my opinion when you pay top dollar for one, you should get top dollar quality. The HD’s we rode in the MSF course I took in Southaven when I still lived in North Ms, was the most uncomfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. I simply don’t understand the lure for the name.


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Yes, those Street 500 they use in MSF class are very uncomfortable, especially for decent size person. But they are entry level HDs that aren't even made in US, but India. It's hard to explain, Keith, but owning an HD is more like a lifestyle. Yes, they charge premium and their bike have issues, but there is something that in my opinion makes Harley a Harley. I like all the bikes, I don't care what everybody else rides as long as they ride we are all like a brotherhood (well, at least I wish it was), I just wanted a Harley and I got it. Qualitywise you get better paint, better plastic and attention to small details. No doubt Yamaha makes good and reliable bikes, but if I had to choose between my old Stryker and my current Road King Special... well, I made my choice. Don't really want to start any kind of "brand name war", just wanted to say that to each their own.

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I agree with Nurteaff that Harley is a life style. It was more of a cult in the 70s but their image has changed with marketing to family people. Being from Milwaukee i do love the heritage, i would love to have a softtail classic. I just can't afford or justify paying 4x more money. Back in 1988 i was going to buy a 1981 FXRS from someone i knew. When i had the cash he renigged. I bought a shadow instead and the rest is history. Some of my best friends have Harleys but i just can't spend more $ for the name. I have been known for the top of the line of the cheap stuff. (I don't mean to offend anyone with that).

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I understand and appreciate your honesty and opinion, and I’m not starting or wanting to start a brand war. Your friendship is worth far more than that! I base my thoughts on what I’ve seen, read, and experienced first hand. Just like when I walk into place in uniform and I hear the donut comments or, ‘I didn’t do it, he did!’ and they break out laughing.
HD marketing and parts availability is second to none and we’ve all seen that. I wish Yamaha was half as good in marketing as HD’s.


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I'm having a hard time believing that head gasket lasted 8 thousand miles with that much of a step on the crankcase halfes. Must have been leaking for a long time. I would think a guy would be able to hear it.
 

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I understand and appreciate your honesty and opinion, and I’m not starting or wanting to start a brand war. Your friendship is worth far more than that!
It is absolutely likewise, my friend!

Just like when I walk into place in uniform and I hear the donut comments or, ‘I didn’t do it, he did!’ and they break out laughing.
Some people... I can't even call them human beings since they don't have a brain! Aghrrr...

HD marketing and parts availability is second to none and we’ve all seen that. I wish Yamaha was half as good in marketing as HD’s.
I'm afraid Yamaha pricing policy would be the same as HDs in that case lol
 
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