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Have you sat on more than one brand of seat on V-Star 1100's??

If so, I'd like to hear from you.

My wife has a 2004 1100 and isn't very happy with the riding position. I've put a set of riser/pullbacks on the bars and that seems to have made her a little happier....but not totally satisfied.

Now I'm going to do some "experimenting" with seating.

BUT, if you've ever looked around at alternative seating for your bike (V-Star or any other bike) you KNOW this is not an economical area for experimentation. Seats cost a BUNDLE, unless you find someone who is desperate to get rid of their current seat. And, usually, no one is desperate to get RID of a seat that YOU (meaning ME) want! LOL. It's the "Murphy's law of accessory parts replacement". (It's often similar to the Murphy's law of "Finding a lost item". If you want to FIND the lost one......buy a replacement......then BINGO, you immediately find the lost one!)

So, what I'm hoping to hear here, is the opinions of people who have a) ridden on the stock seat....then b) ridden on ANY other brand.

The most popular/commonly seen "alternative" seats that I'M aware of seem to be Mustang and Ultimate.

Would anyone whose ridden the stock seat AND either of these......(or ANYTHING else), please comment?

Thanks, folks. (Guys' AND especially womens' comments both greatly appreciated.)

Michael
 

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The problem with taking someone else's experience with an aftermarket seat for advice then buying that seat

is everyone has a different anatomy, and different needs for a comfortable seat. A $500 seat that might be perfect for one person might become a numb-butt ride for someone else.

The answer is to customize a seat for the rider. That would cost a lot of money if you pay someone else to do it, but you can (surprisingly) Do It Yourself and get really good results.

Before you spend $500 or more for a one-size-fits-all aftermarket seat, read thru this website: Home

If nothing else that website does a good job of explaining the issues, like having a groove down the middle if your tail bone is a problem, shifting the position forward or back by adjusting the foam, and what it is that makes your butt go numb...

I modified the stock seat on my Vstar 650 and improved it greatly, for me. I might modify it further to add some gel padding - but the mods I did only cost me about $30.

Something that makes the DIY approach less risky - a lot of people buy aftermarket seats, so there are a lot of stock seats available for your bike. If you totally ruin your stock seat, you can get another one cheap, or if you were going to buy an aftermarket seat anyway, your stock seat is already 'ruined' as far as using it in its present state is concerned...

so you have no risk in attempting to make the stock seat better.

There are threads on the DIY process by several people on this forum - try searching on "DIY seat"
 

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I kept and eye on Craigslist in my area and found $750 Mustang seat and backrest for $200. They were in like new condition. Buying used might be a less expensive way to try out a couple different seats.
 

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I have an 1100 as well I can concur with your wife's opinion of the stock seat. I haven't tried any of the aftermarket seats yet, but I've done a lot of reading about them. Mustang is a very popular brand, but I've read that they move the riding position up and forward a bit. If the risers improved it for her, maybe that's just what she needs. Ultimate are rumored to retain the stock riding position while still offering a much more comfortable ride.

But like KCW said, it's all subjective and you'll get almost as many opinions on seats as you would asking what oil is best. I've checked out the link KCW posted and I think I'm going to give that a try before I drop $700 or $800 on a seat. I'm watching for a cheap set of stock seats to experiment on though just in case the grinder gets away on me :wink:
 

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..Buying used might be a less expensive way to try out a couple different seats.
that is one of the problems with finding a good aftermarket seat. You need to ride that seat for about an hour to see how well its working for you.

Totally impossible to compare one seat against another before you buy one. (unless you know someone who has one and will let you borrow their bike for the afternoon).

I'm watching for a cheap set of stock seats to experiment on though just in case the grinder gets away on me
the idea of using a 4 1/2" angle grinder to shape the foam sounds inSANE! but it works incredibly well. I practiced on some closed cell foam I had previously used for padding under sleeping bags for hiking trips. Definately practice on something other than your seat, and as the website says, only sweep the grinding wheel across the foam in one direction, as if you are dragging frosting with the trailing edge of wheel, not cutting into it with the leading edge.
 

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that is one of the problems with finding a good aftermarket seat. You need to ride that seat for about an hour to see how well its working for you.

Totally impossible to compare one seat against another before you buy one. (unless you know someone who has one and will let you borrow their bike for the afternoon).
Oh well........at least it's not QUITE as bad as buying a $7,000 BIKE without riding it for an hour or so!!:surprise:
 

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Oh well........at least it's not QUITE as bad as buying a $7,000 BIKE without riding it for an hour or so!!:surprise:
I went to a Harley dealer 5 years ago with my MC license, MSF beginners course completion card, and 33 sweaty $100 bills in my pocket to put down on a new 883 sportster. Asked the salesman if they had one I could take for a test ride.

"store policy insurance yada yada yada sorry no!" I had been planning on buying a HD for about 8 months, if he had let me ride one, Im sure I would have bought it.

and thats why I have a Yamaha.

To be fair, I think it was just that one dealership. And I think HD has a program now: you can 'borrow' a new bike for 24 hours for $100 - kinda extended test ride.
 

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I have had the Mustang and Ultimate seats. My wife liked the Mustang but LOVES the Ultimate. I had to add a Gel insert for the Mustang seat to be comfortable for her. She said it was kind of hard. Both of them have a wider passenger seat.
 

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My stock 2010 950 seat gets uncomfortable after a couple of hours or by the time I need gas. Getting off long enough to get gas and get a drink is usually enough to keep me going comfortably for the next period of time. However, as the day wears on, the time between butt breaks shrinks steadily and discomfort increases.

I'm not going to spend the kind of money they are charging for a replacement seat that might not cure a problem caused by a bony butt rather than seat padding. So I compromised with a Skwoosh mid-size gel pad that fits perfectly on the stock seat. About $80 as I recall.

It isn't a cure. It has a noticeable positive effect, extending the time between butt breaks by maybe a half hour or so, but doesn't fix the problem. I'll need to ride on some different bikes or seats to know what my next step is going to be.

It does help to ride a lot. Butt endurance increases with practice, but only up to a point. For me, there is still a hard stop of discomfort after X hours. Some HD riders have told me they can ride all day. I may rent one and see what happens. If I do, I'll report.
 

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My stock 2010 950 seat gets uncomfortable after a couple of hours or by the time I need gas. Getting off long enough to get gas and get a drink is usually enough to keep me going comfortably for the next period of time. However, as the day wears on, the time between butt breaks shrinks steadily and discomfort increases.

I'm not going to spend the kind of money they are charging for a replacement seat that might not cure a problem caused by a bony butt rather than seat padding. So I compromised with a Skwoosh mid-size gel pad that fits perfectly on the stock seat. About $80 as I recall.

It isn't a cure. It has a noticeable positive effect, extending the time between butt breaks by maybe a half hour or so, but doesn't fix the problem. I'll need to ride on some different bikes or seats to know what my next step is going to be.

It does help to ride a lot. Butt endurance increases with practice, but only up to a point. For me, there is still a hard stop of discomfort after X hours. Some HD riders have told me they can ride all day. I may rent one and see what happens. If I do, I'll report.
I too, have a Bony Butt, also leg cramp issues. ordered seat from E.D. Motorcycle Seats, USA.

From Their Site-''E.D. Motorcycle Seats Inc. gives a fifteen (15) day, no questions asked, money-back guarantee on all of our products (shipping costs not included). This guarantee allows you to try out our products to make sure they are the quality and comfort that you are looking for.''

The seat I ordered is way more Comfortable, As far as the cramping issue, it's practically gone.

FTR, I have no connection to ED Seats, other than being a satisfied customer.
 

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I don't trust myself carving the foam. I would end up grinding it all away, and then attempt to add it back, and really do a bad hack job. I'm sure by my 4th attempt, I would be good at it, but not looking to get that skill.

I was picking between mustang and ultimate. Ultimate was pricy. I didn't see, or E.D. wasn't making them back then, but these days I would have likely picked it, but no idea if I would be happy, but think I would.

So I put mustang down at a slightly lower level than Ultimate. Plus ultimate is compatable with the stock seats and mounts, unlike the mustang. So if you rarely have a passenger, you have to get the mustang passenger, but you don't have to for ultimate (same with the driver backrest too). The mustang passenger seat is 12" wide, and the Ultimate is 16". I believe stock was 8". Everyone has loved the Ultimate seat since I got it. For me personally, my butt still got sore after an hour on the Ultimate, but after about 6-8hours, I never noticed my butt getting sore anymore. It was the lack of noticing that got my attention.
 

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I had an Ultimate on my VTX, very comfortable, but a PIA.

It's leather so you have to treat it. Not supposed to get it wet, the seams aren't sealed, & if water gets in it could ruin the foam. Too much direct sunlight dries it out-has to be treated again.

It is very comfortable, but it sat me too high.

Just my 2 Cents.
 

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I had an Ultimate ....very comfortable, but a PIA.....
the ultimate paradox for a seat

isnt pain in the ass the problem with the stock seats?!
 

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the ultimate paradox for a seat

isnt pain in the ass the problem with the stock seats?!
I saw what you did there. :wink:
 

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Something to keep in mind: I make a 700 mile (one way) road trip several times a year. Its about 11 hours in the car and a 12 to 13 hour day.

Even in the car I need to stop every 3 hours max - every two hours is better, to get out and stretch my legs.

Riding a motorcycle on secondary roads you get plenty of corners and stop signs and other places where you have to stop, you can stand up on the street, wiggle your butt and get your blood flowing again. But if you are on the interstate highways you can easily go hundreds of miles without ever stopping the bike. If you start getting craps in your legs, or you leg falls asleep, then you got a serious problem - you cannot put your foot down and hold the bike up if it has gone numb - trust me on this - if you cant feel your foot, then the nerves that tell your muscles what to do are not working either - it will feel like you put your foot in a hole and down you go!

If you can modify your seat or find one that is good for two hours, thats about as good as it gets -sitting on anything without getting up for more than 2 hours is not good in any way.
 

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I have a Roadliner, but IMO stock seats only allow so much time on them before they get uncomfortable.
All I know is my stocker was coming off. Mustang and Ultimate have been getting thumbs up. (I dont care for Mustang seats as some of them can be cramped haven't tried the Ultimate but lots of good feedback on them.)

I went with ED Seats. The minute I got on the bike i knew I'd be keeping it. What a difference! Mine sits 5/8" to 3/4" lower than stock and has a big back portion for support. This one also fits with the stock pillion, I dont think all do?

I felt that I was now sitting IN the bike rather than ON it. I've got all day comfort now regardless of miles.




E.D. Motorcycle Seats, USA

The stock seat really IS the weak link on your Yamaha. Try one of these three, all give 15-30 day money back (all you pay is shipping back so not too much risk) And they're 300-325 for a solo seat and 200 more for a passenger pillion if you need one.
 

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Has anyone tried the Kontour seats? Their claim to fame is a better viscoelastic foam and a "Polar Mesh" cover that includes a waterproof membrane and allows air to circulate under your butt, preventing swamp-ass. Only downside is you have to donate your seat, so if you don't like it, you don't have a stock seat to put back on.

For a more economical approach, my Dad has an Air Hawk seat cushion that he uses on his Harley Ultra. He only uses it if he's riding 100+miles. I rode on it for about 30 minutes yesterday, and I did notice a much more even weight distribution, as well as some airflow under my butt. I haven't put any miles on it, but he swears by it.

I took my first longer ride on my 950, and after 300 miles, my ass was sore and stopping for fuel didn't really help. Last 100 miles home was not terribly comfortable, given I also haven't put a throttle lock device on yet, so my ass & right hand were both fairly unhappy with me. On the bright side, I didn't get any numbness, so at least I could hold the bike up to park it when I did get home!
 

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Has anyone tried the Kontour seats? Their claim to fame is a better viscoelastic foam and a "Polar Mesh" cover that includes a waterproof membrane and allows air to circulate under your butt, preventing swamp-ass. Only downside is you have to donate your seat, so if you don't like it, you don't have a stock seat to put back on.

For a more economical approach, my Dad has an Air Hawk seat cushion that he uses on his Harley Ultra. He only uses it if he's riding 100+miles. I rode on it for about 30 minutes yesterday, and I did notice a much more even weight distribution, as well as some airflow under my butt. I haven't put any miles on it, but he swears by it.

I took my first longer ride on my 950, and after 300 miles, my ass was sore and stopping for fuel didn't really help. Last 100 miles home was not terribly comfortable, given I also haven't put a throttle lock device on yet, so my ass & right hand were both fairly unhappy with me. On the bright side, I didn't get any numbness, so at least I could hold the bike up to park it when I did get home!
If you go the Kontour seat route and you do not like it I have a stock seat you can get for a 950.
 

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ED's Seat
Best seat I have ever owned!! Tried mustang, and ultimate....ultimate is a close 2nd. But Ed's oh yeah is way first!!!
I have it on my 1300 and whats especially nice you have 15 days to actually try it, if you are not happy.... return it!
no questions asked, so you get to try it out at least!

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