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Hey all. Working on a 2005 650 Vstar. Bike is a friends who got tired of messing with it.
Issue:
Starter solenoid clicks when trying to start but starter never fires.
Everything Ive tried:
New battery
New starter
New starter relay
New starter solenoid
New ground cable

Still same thing
I get a voltage drop from 12 to 8vdc when i try and start.
any help is most appreciated.
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That big of a voltage drop is sign on a bad battery. I would take battery to a local auto parts store and get them to load test the battery.
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I would jump the relay to make sure the starter turned. Then I would pull the coil leads off of the relay and check with a meter to see if I had 12 there when I hit the button. The other side of the coil goes to ground I think through the safety switches. You could put 12 volts to the 2 leads on the relay. It is the 2 that are embedded in epoxy and are not connected together. I don't have a 650 but had trouble with a old road star and they seem to share some parts. Good Luck.
I would jump the relay to make sure the starter turned. Then I would pull the coil leads off of the relay and check with a meter to see if I had 12 there when I hit the button. The other side of the coil goes to ground I think through the safety switches. You could put 12 volts to the 2 leads on the relay. It is the 2 that are embedded in epoxy and are not connected together. I don't have a 650 but had trouble with a old road star and they seem to share some parts. Good Luck.
I have jumped the coil and nothing. I pulled starter and bench tested it and it works with 12v direct.
Its crazy….
I would jump the relay to make sure the starter turned. Then I would pull the coil leads off of the relay and check with a meter to see if I had 12 there when I hit the button. The other side of the coil goes to ground I think through the safety switches. You could put 12 volts to the 2 leads on the relay. It is the 2 that are embedded in epoxy and are not connected together. I don't have a 650 but had trouble with a old road star and they seem to share some parts. Good Luck.
Used a different battery and same thing. Also tried to use a jumper pack with the battery and same thing.
What is battery voltage on battery side of starter relay with key off?

What is battery voltage on battery side of starter relay while attempting to start?

What is battery voltage on starter side of relay while attempting to start?

What is voltage at starter while trying to start?

It appears there's a voltage issue, need to find where voltage drop is.
I'm guessing the click you hear is the starter relay energizing and closing the contacts. If the starter spins freely on the bench and the battery voltage is dropping to 8V it may be a mechanical issue that is keeping the starter from spinning only when it's connected to the engine. So, something in the one way bearing/clutch or engine seized?

If you can, try running the starter from the motorcycle wiring but without installing it.

Voltage dropping to 8 on start attempt with what appear to be good voltage sources is worrisome.
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If the system voltage is pulled to low voltage during cranking, and comes back up afterwards, that's likely high resistance somewhere in the circuit. Could be inside the battery in which case almost certainly needs replacing, but could also be in the starter motor circuit, at the cable connections or in the heavy cables going from the battery through the relay to the starter. The ground path for the starter can also be high resistance, or the Batt - to frame cable or connections. A power cable can look normal but be corroded under the insulation.

Diagnosing the starter motor circuit is a good place to apply a method called voltage drop testing, as was alluded to by lesblank above. One just goes around the circuit, testing individual sections, ( while cranking, but don't crank continuously, move the clips, crank briefly, and write down the measurement on a crude sketch). The voltage around the circuit adds up to the 12.7 volts or so that should be on the battery before starting. When you find the element that is dropping the most voltage, that is where resistance has developed.

This is a pretty good description of voltage drop testing, with some diagrams of where to clip in to test what part of the circuit: Voltage Drop Test: Testing the Starter Circuit
Even the metal/metal battery and ground connections are suspects.

By the way, 12.0 Volts means a battery is half dead. It should read quite a bit more. Voltages on the chart are the "rest" voltage, several hours after being taken OFF a charger, so there's no surface charge present, but not under load.

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And even higher for AGM sealed type:
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Good Luck!
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If the system voltage is pulled to low voltage during cranking, and comes back up afterwards, that's likely high resistance somewhere in the circuit. Could be inside the battery in which case almost certainly needs replacing, but could also be in the starter motor circuit, at the cable connections or in the heavy cables going from the battery through the relay to the starter. The ground path for the starter can also be high resistance, or the Batt - to frame cable or connections. A power cable can look normal but be corroded under the insulation.

Diagnosing the starter motor circuit is a good place to apply a method called voltage drop testing, as was alluded to by lesblank above. One just goes around the circuit, testing individual sections, ( while cranking, but don't crank continuously, move the clips, crank briefly, and write down the measurement on a crude sketch). The voltage around the circuit adds up to the 12.7 volts or so that should be on the battery before starting. When you find the element that is dropping the most voltage, that is where resistance has developed.

This is a pretty good description of voltage drop testing, with some diagrams of where to clip in to test what part of the circuit: Voltage Drop Test: Testing the Starter Circuit
Even the metal/metal battery and ground connections are suspects.

By the way, 12.0 Volts means a battery is half dead. It should read quite a bit more. Voltages on the chart are the "rest" voltage, several hours after being taken OFF a charger, so there's no surface charge present, but not under load.

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And even higher for AGM sealed type:
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Good Luck!
Thanks everyone. Ill give these a try and let ya know.
That is quite the list of new parts. If the new battery and new starter pass muster, you might check the other safety switches (clutch lever,neutral, sidestand) and make sure the engine isnt seized.
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Hey all. Working on a 2005 650 Vstar. Bike is a friends who got tired of messing with it.
Issue:
Starter solenoid clicks when trying to start but starter never fires.

I get a voltage drop from 12 to 8vdc when i try and start.
any help is most appreciated.
May be a stupid question but, if you pull the spark plugs, can you rotate the Crank Shaft as when you're adjusting the valves? If the motor won't turn, the starter motor effectively turns in to a short circuit.
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