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I'm coming off an high-reving 800cc bike where I could really hear and feel when i needed to up shift. But on the 1300, I'm having a little trouble finding the sweet spot for each up shift. I know the gears are taller, and I checked the manual, but the recommended shift points seemed a little low to me.

For those of you that are experienced with the 1300, will you ballpark on where I optimally should be shifting (MPH)? Is it ok to run the revs up as I did on my Volusia 800?

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Hey welcome from the northern midlands of SC ... I got out on the bike for a little while today, upper 50s to low 60s ... and now, I hear we are in for more winter weather midweek... geez ...

I too came from a 07 C-50 Boulevard a few years back, great bike but the 1300 rocks ...

Shift points ... ignore the manual, two reasons, but if this is any help, your 1300 speedo is off about 9% to fast, so if you think you are shifting into 5th at 55 you really need your speedo to say 61. Because at an indicated 55 you are only doing a true GPS speed of 50. That is WAY to low for 5th gear.

The shift points in the manual are to low, everyone agrees, dont be afraid to rev it up a bit higher. Yes, without question you can rev up the bike, its made to run.

I have a tach on mine will try to pay attention at what speeds I shift, I can tell you, I dont think about going into 5th until above 60. Give it time, you will get used to it and after a few thousand miles you will not think about it anymore. Many of us drilled out airboxes, helps smooth out the low end a bit. I drilled 6 - 3/8s holes in the back of the box facing the engine. If your ever curious, just take the arifilter cover off and use a piece of duct tape to hold the filter in place, then go for a ride.
 

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Hey welcome from the northern midlands of SC ... I got out on the bike for a little while today, upper 50s to low 60s ... and now, I hear we are in for more winter weather midweek... geez ...

I too came from a 07 C-50 Boulevard a few years back, great bike but the 1300 rocks ...

Shift points ... ignore the manual, two reasons, but if this is any help, your 1300 speedo is off about 9% to fast, so if you think you are shifting into 5th at 55 you really need your speedo to say 61. Because at an indicated 55 you are only doing a true GPS speed of 50. That is WAY to low for 5th gear.

The shift points in the manual are to low, everyone agrees, dont be afraid to rev it up a bit higher. Yes, without question you can rev up the bike, its made to run.

I have a tach on mine will try to pay attention at what speeds I shift, I can tell you, I dont think about going into 5th until above 60. Give it time, you will get used to it and after a few thousand miles you will not think about it anymore. Many of us drilled out airboxes, helps smooth out the low end a bit. I drilled 6 - 3/8s holes in the back of the box facing the engine. If your ever curious, just take the arifilter cover off and use a piece of duct tape to hold the filter in place, then go for a ride.
Good input, thanks! Will have to check out the air box mod.

I've put less than 300 miles on the 1300 but I'm starting to get more comfortable. I loved my Volusia (selling it today) but you could really feel it hit the wall when you needed to up shift. The 1300 is so much smoother, I don't "feel" it as much if that makes sense. Not a bad problem to have I guess and I'll get use to it. I'd rather run the revs up a little than lug the engine.

I rode today too but now stuck in the 30s today and tomorrow with rain or snow. Ugh.
 

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For average riding, I shift mine like I would a for a car. No need to wind it out every gear unless you're getting on it. If I were to venture a guess, for every day riding, I shift between 3,000 & 4,000 rpm. The ridiculous shift points in the manual are there to satisfy epa requirements for fuel economy, emissions, and stuff so they can keep big brother happy.

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If you're lugging, downshift. If you're engine sounds like rat-at-a-tat-tat, it's time to upshift. Otherwise, what they say. Listen to your bike. It has a lot to say. You CAN'T run the revs up as high as the Volusia because the rev limiter won't let you. I believe it's around 6300 on a 1300.

Or, go to the link below and pick you shift rpm and see what speeds come up. 3000 rpm is casual and 6300 rpm is screaming mad.

http://s180867979.onlinehome.us/html/yamaha_speed_rpmcheck.htm
 

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Good input, thanks! Will have to check out the air box mod.

I've put less than 300 miles on the 1300 but I'm starting to get more comfortable. I loved my Volusia (selling it today) but you could really feel it hit the wall when you needed to up shift. The 1300 is so much smoother, I don't "feel" it as much if that makes sense. Not a bad problem to have I guess and I'll get use to it. I'd rather run the revs up a little than lug the engine.

I rode today too but now stuck in the 30s today and tomorrow with rain or snow. Ugh.
Without question the Suzuki will feel like it has a bit more character at first, lighter bike, a bit more fun to throw around, nice ride.

You will QUICKLY forget about that as you ride the 1300 more and enjoy the power and higher speed handling of the 1300.

I had both bikes up to Robbinsville (Tail of the Dragon on the c50) and the 1300 up to Maggie Valley, Blue Ridge Parkway etc many times. I have no desire to go back to the C-50 and have REALLY come to enjoying a good part of any trip on the interstates with the 1300, not that the c50 was bad but the 1300 really shines in comparison. Best of all if going 2up your passenger will have plenty of room and you will still have plenty of power. I did and ALWAYS will have Mustang seats though, both bikes, never would down a bike without them, can run all day.

As far as RPMs on the 1300, at 80 indicated ( GPS 73ish)you are turning about 35/3600
85 indicated 38/3900 (GPS 77ish) just saying this so your not concerned about pushing the RPMs at lower speeds.
 

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Thanks everyone. I think I just need to ride her more to find the shifting sweet spots.. I do tend to want to wind her out but only because the Suzuki really responded to that. The power is really almost effortless compared to where I'm coming from. Now if only this 10 inch of snow will melt by Sunday!


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Amazing weather isnt it!??!? Geez ... guessing we got about 5 inches of sleet, snow and slush plus about 3/8s of an inch of ice... good news is we still have power, some others more east do not. Im near the I-26 Peak Exit 97 ... Irmo/Chapin area.
 

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Man, it started snowing at 1pm yesterday, changed over to sleet last night, then started snowing again this morning and has not stopped! I can't recall this much continuous snow since, well, never. I've been outside sledding with my 6 YO and I'm sure we've had 12 inches or more. I'm just north of Winston Salem, NC heading up Highway 52.

The lousey thing is the forecast is sunny and mid-40s for Sat / Sun. Earlier in the week, I thought I might be able to ride Sunday but no way the roads here will be in any shape for a bike by then. Oh well, at least I can start planning my mods now since I sold the Suzuki this week. :)
 

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I personally do not pay attention to what speed I am supposed to shift. Like the previous entries, listen to the engine. When the engine sound reaches a higher frequency, change gears. Going to geek here, but remember what Master Kenobi said, "Feel, don't think. Use your instincts."
 

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Chazzmichaels, check out this linked website. It's a calculator that will show you varying speeds and rpms for the 1300 and other V*s. Very simple to use. I won't even explain it. It's that simple. Use the data any way you see fit.

http://s180867979.onlinehome.us/html/yamaha_speed_rpmcheck.htm

...this thread's getting a little old.
 

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Chazzmichaels, check out this linked website. It's a calculator that will show you varying speeds and rpms for the 1300 and other V*s. Very simple to use. I won't even explain it. It's that simple. Use the data any way you see fit.

http://s180867979.onlinehome.us/html/yamaha_speed_rpmcheck.htm

...this thread's getting a little old.
Hey Sparkn ....... interesting chart, way more so because it comes from Yamaha. I do not know if it is intentional by Yamaha ( I am SURE it is) to make riders think they are riding fast then they are.
The darn 1300 speedometer reads about 9% faster then you are going!

Seems to me A LOT of metric bike builders misled the rider as to true speed. I honestly believe it is because most metric builders do not have the extra 6th gear and keeps production costs low.

THE VSTAR 1300 is the PERFECT example, love my 1300 but really pisses me off that Yamaha misleds everyone with a 1300 by the information on the speedometer and the chart website you provided the link too!

AMAZING, using the site you provided, if you punch in 3800 rpm on a 1300 it will come up with 83 mph. Well if ANYONE rides their 1300 with 83 showing on their speedometer they will find out their true GPS speed is only around 76 mph! To be doing a true 77 mph on a 1300 tourer your darn speedo has to be reading 85!

The calculator in the link you provided is correct, if you put in 3800 RPMs for the 1300 tourer, it will show a speed of 83.4 and EXACTLY what the speedo on the bike will show, HOWEVER you are only doing a TRUE 76 (or so) on your GPS. Im telling you, it can be, to me, nothing but a scam to the metric builders on bikes with NO 6th gear. Because at 85MPH on your speedo, your starting to turn some serious RPMS at 3800 to 4000 RPM, yet your true speed is only 77.

Ok, now if you excuse me I have to go install my new Mustang sissy bar pad for my wife.
 

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I personally do not pay attention to what speed I am supposed to shift. Like the previous entries, listen to the engine. When the engine sound reaches a higher frequency, change gears. Going to geek here, but remember what Master Kenobi said, "Feel, don't think. Use your instincts."
"Yeees yeesss, feeeel the force around you!"
 

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Hey Sparkn ....... interesting chart, way more so because it comes from Yamaha. I do not know if it is intentional by Yamaha ( I am SURE it is) to make riders think they are riding fast then they are.
The darn 1300 speedometer reads about 9% faster then you are going!

Seems to me A LOT of metric bike builders misled the rider as to true speed. I honestly believe it is because most metric builders do not have the extra 6th gear and keeps production costs low.

THE VSTAR 1300 is the PERFECT example, love my 1300 but really pisses me off that Yamaha misleds everyone with a 1300 by the information on the speedometer and the chart website you provided the link too!

AMAZING, using the site you provided, if you punch in 3800 rpm on a 1300 it will come up with 83 mph. Well if ANYONE rides their 1300 with 83 showing on their speedometer they will find out their true GPS speed is only around 76 mph! To be doing a true 77 mph on a 1300 tourer your darn speedo has to be reading 85!

The calculator in the link you provided is correct, if you put in 3800 RPMs for the 1300 tourer, it will show a speed of 83.4 and EXACTLY what the speedo on the bike will show, HOWEVER you are only doing a TRUE 76 (or so) on your GPS. Im telling you, it can be, to me, nothing but a scam to the metric builders on bikes with NO 6th gear. Because at 85MPH on your speedo, your starting to turn some serious RPMS at 3800 to 4000 RPM, yet your true speed is only 77.

Ok, now if you excuse me I have to go install my new Mustang sissy bar pad for my wife.
Alarmguy, surely you jest.

Almost everything you said was the result of not paying attention and believing conspiracy theories.
 

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I am going to piss off a LOT of my fellow riders when I say this, but you absolutely CANNOT trust a GPS for measurements of speed or distance. Why? Simple actually. A GPS, or Global Positioning System, uses a series of satellites orbiting the earth to pinpoint the user's location. Here is the problem: the device communicates with the three satellites in earth's orbit, which then communicate back with the device. Units vary, but the average lag, or delay, time between communication is about 900 milliseconds. This means that it takes 450 milliseconds to communicate to, and to receive a response from, the satellites. Factor in that a motorcycle, or vehicle, is moving at freeway speed. The newer systems have an accuracy of the low teens of feet. Which means that the unit is anywhere within the specific area, usually around 16 ft. The speedometer attached to the motorcycle, on the other hand, receives the same data (speed and distance) in real time. There is no lag because the instrument console is connected directly to the wheel that is providing the data.
I have a gps, but use it strictly for direction, not speed and distance traveled. I tested this once and traveled 100 miles on Knightmare's, my bike's, odometer. 100 exact, no .3. At 100 exact, the gps lagged by about 3.5 to 5 miles BEHIND the onboard odometer. Until gps systems can pinpoint my EXACT location to less than 5 feet, it just simply cannot be trusted for measuring distance and speed traveled.
 

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Maverickx84, of course you are assuming that your odometer is 100% correct? Right, just like your speedometer is 100% correct. Oh, yeah, they get their data directly from the same spot.

We all know that the speedometer and odometers on our bikes are off by just a wee bit. The GPS will actually be more accurate, but still not perfect.

The perfect fix is not really available. There are just to many variables.
 

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So my speedometer is off always and my gps is off sometimes. Got it.

GPSs do not transmit. They only have receivers. They use the lag time of a pseudo random code to determine distance from the satellite and then use trilateration to determine the receivers location. The software is pretty tricky but it works very well.

Your distance is off because you don't travel in a straight line. The software interpolates where your SHOULD be while calculating where you actually are and then correcting for any change. Because of point accuracy, calculating in real time really isn't possible. If your accuracy was 15 feet and you moved 10 feet did you actually travel anywhere? But, calculating multiple points over time increases the accuracy immensely. Accuracy is affected by direction changes, altitude, signal interference, etc. I see it all the time on non straight roads and even watch the gps dance while parked. None of that means that a GPS can't be trusted. It just means a certain level of discernement and awareness needs to be used with it. If you're on I-57 in Illinois chances are the gps is dead on at 70 mph. I wouldn't trust it in the same way on the dragon (I probably wouldn't care on the dragon either).
 

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Maverickx84, of course you are assuming that your odometer is 100% correct? Right, just like your speedometer is 100% correct. Oh, yeah, they get their data directly from the same spot.

We all know that the speedometer and odometers on our bikes are off by just a wee bit. The GPS will actually be more accurate, but still not perfect.

The perfect fix is not really available. There are just to many variables.
I would like to believe that my onboard instruments, while they may not be 100% accurate, are at least 99.9999% accurate. I know that the onboard isn't completely accurate, nothing is. But Yamaha designed our machines with instrumentation that was as accurate as possible.
 

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Alarmguy, surely you jest.

Almost everything you said was the result of not paying attention and believing conspiracy theories.
Jest Sparkn!?!? yes and no ... lets face it, clearly Yamaha is capable of producing a 1300 with a speedo that is correct and not off by a whopping 9%. (Notice it isnt 9% to slow?)

The speedo is incorrect, it has to read 84MPH to be doing a real 77MPH.
Facts are facts and Yami leaves open the door to conspiracy by having such an out of wack speedo.
 
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