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We have a Yamaha Vstar which dad got as his first bike. Our neighbor has a 2006 Harley Davidson and when he came up to see dads bike he was impressed yet he said "You need a REAL bike" as a joke of course, but I heard this before.

His HArley cost over 20,000(2006) dollars and as I looked it over and compared with our Yamaha which cost 8,000 when brand new, I couldn't tell what was the big deal about a Harley?? The fit, finish, looks of both bikes looked equal to me and IMO I like the Yamaha better for looks and the way the engine looked. The Yamaha sounds better to me(both bikes have drag pipes) and overall I couldn't see anything that special about the Harley except the legendary name.
Don't get me wrong, his Harley is bad-ass, but I like the Yamaha way better and fit, hardware, finish seemed just as good as the Harley. I also bet anything that the Yamaha could kill the Harley in a race.

I also heard that newer Harley have Japanese wiring and parts, because Harley had a period where their wiring sucked so they consulted Japan for the wiring....is this true? lol.

The Harley is nice, but I don't see 20,000 plus when yo ucan get a nice Yamaha for a fraction of that and have it be the better performer.
 

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ah, yes. another harley bashing thread. let the games begin.

The Harley is nice, but I don't see 20,000 plus when yo ucan get a nice Yamaha for a fraction of that and have it be the better performer.
i think that's the sentiment of most Yamaha owners. it's like the difference between owning an Acura and a Mercedes. both make great cars, look similar in style and luxury and performance, but you're spending more to own a Mercedes. and people will spend more money because Mercedes has more of a reputation/history/name than an Acura.

a lot of people buy a Harley because of its name. it's an 'American' bike, and that's what they want to own. Harley does make some great bikes, but a lot of people think they're the best because of its storied history and because they cost more. actually, asian bike designs have morphed to look more like Harleys over the years as far as looks and sound. so when you say they look equal, that's not an accident. as for the sound, asian manufacturers began changing the timing of the engine to make the exhaust note more comparable to a Harley. but they were able to do these things while making a more dependable bike and for considerable lower price.
 

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Yes, we all ride what we like and can afford, squabble all day long, don't mean nothin, we still like what we like:cool:
(Moose horns, Blue bikes, rat bikes, even HARLEYS, bikes wrapped in Bob Wyre, hell, we ride em cause we love to ride, huh?:cool:
 

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I like 'em all! I might even add a 03 or 04 Dyna to the shed if it's owner is serious about trading for my brick (car).
 

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When I was looking for a big v-twin to buy, hd was on the list.I did all the comparisons and bought a stratoliner because it was 10,000 dollars cheaper. Hd makes great bikes but after owning my strat I wouldn't buy one. To answer your ? about hds being part rice,yes they are and so are the autos built here in the usa.Lots of manufactures will out sorce to keep the costs down.I think Yamaha builds a superior bike. On the other hand I would own a hd if the price was right. I like all kinds of bikes.
 

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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering a Road King about the time I started to consider a bike a little more suited for two up. I also wouldn't say that I was in a " money is no object" position (never been there). But when I strolled thru the front door and saw the Strato-S and at a real good left over price, I was already done looking. One reason that made the choice easy for me was being familiar with the big Yammi V-Twin. To apply some theory here, if I was more familiar with the the HD V-Twin, I may be riding the Road King today.

I guess my point is that having a comfort zone with your current knowledge and familiarity with one machine plays a major role in who's company logo is at the top of the bill of sale. Much more important to me than any ego trip associated with a brand name or culture.

Additionally, my riding with other friends is non-existant because none of my closest friends have scoots, so my peer pressure is also non-existant.
 

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I'd be lying
Now there's a given...:D:D:D


HD has improved its quality in recent years, and I like the looks of their full dress machines (King, Glides). However, the counterculture promoted, fostered, and perpetuated by HD is the reason I will never have one in my driveway, even if they drop their prices and begin to produce a bike the quality of the Strat.
 

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Nah, not meant to bash Harleys.

I am one of those people that doesn't care or judge people for what they ride or drive. If Harley is your thing, then allright.

For me I cannot afford even a used Harley that is 7 years old, but love the looks and dependability of Japanese bikes and dirt bikes. I have a 1992 Yamaha Blaster 4 wheeler that still runs, never been rebuilt and has been hammered quite often. Now I just use it to go back in the fields to check things out. to old to jump it anymore lol.

So I don't care, Japanese is dependable and very affordable. Looked at a Yamaha Stryker today...I was impressed....nice paint...nothing looked "cheap"

I guess I would say I'd be happy riding a 11,000 dollar Yamaha big V-Twin just as well as a 20,000 plus dollar Harley.
Also looked at a Suzuki hyubusa today lol..... Nah....I think that would be a mistake for me:eek:
 

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one thing that is a huge benefit to the price difference is that you can customize a Yamaha bike a lot more for the money you would have paid for a Harley. for instance, a $20K Harley is stock. a comparable Yamaha bike you've spent $20K on has several thousand in accessories and parts and customization you've added to make it unique and your own.
 

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I'm going to be lazy and not read this whole thread. BUT I've been heckled by some retired navy and current instructors about owning a Vstar, them saying get a "real" bike. Simply stated, I OWN my bike. I paid cash, and I love riding something I own. Frankly, if you can't share the same road with fellow riders, then they are riding for the wrong reasons. Just like in the service, it doesn't matter what branch, rate or rank, we're all family, and just need to get along :)
 

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Except the Air Force.....
 

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I'm in agreement with everybody here...except paddy (i will include Air Force :D ). If not for the price i would have chosen a harley when i first got my bike. Now that it's been 6 years with my Babe and numurous test rides on harleys, the only HD that comes close to the comfort of my Babe is the Fatboy. Even if i was offered a GREAT deal i would keep my VStar :D
 

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Hey Chalms tell those guys I've got there real bike for them.It would take a highly modified hd to come close to a liner. Tell them I'm ready to line em up. They are your typical wanna be. Hey look at me I have a Harley.I would be surprised if they actually put any miles on the except from bar to bar.Thanks for letting me vent,that just strike a nerve when hear **** like that. They are just jealous cuz your bike is better lookn,more dependable and cost 20k less.Ok I'm done.
 

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I've never drank the Kool-Aid. If a Harley is your thing so be it. To me none of them look better, numbers tell you they don't perform better, and stats tell you they may have questionable build quality/reliability.

A name/brand recognition is not worth a significant price disparity when there's so few wins in so many columns. :)
 

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Oh yeah! I almost forgot. As of 2011 the 'Great' harley-davidsons are being assembled in India with parts from Japan, China, Mexico and more...:eek:
 

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I ride with a great bunch of guys who almost all ride H-D, with the exception of one other V-Star 1100 Silverado. I got the normal "get a real bike" crap when I was having my mechanical issues. I was always told that they knew a lot of Harley mechanics, but no Jap bike mechanics. That's when it hit me...the reason for so many H-D mechs and so few Jap bike mechs is the stability of the Jap bike :D

I then told one of those buddies when he kept telling me to get a real bike that when he meets me at the H-D dealership to co-sign I would get one. He was ready to go that day!

I then went on line and looked at prices and realized that for the price there was really nothing there I wanted. I do really like the look of the Sportster 48, designed to look like the 48 Harley...but for the price it just did not make sense.

My response to several of the others when they told me to get a "real bike" was to turn it on them...a few ride Sportster 883's. I told them that when they decided to ride a real bike...above 1000 cc's I might listen!
 

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Just like in the service, it doesn't matter what branch, rate or rank, we're all family, and just need to get along :)
First, you're to be congratulated on your military career; you chose wisely. Lots of others were fooled into public service careers like the Army, Marines, Coast Guard, US Coast & Geodetic Survey, Girl Scouts, etc....:D:D:D

Second, tell your "hecklers" you would cheerfully have purchased an HD, but fortunately you had a choice;)
 
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