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I made an excuse to go for a ride yesterday afternoon, and chose a Honda motorcycle dealer as my destination. I have been reading a lot about the F6B, and wanted to sit on one to see how it felt. Observations:

Overall, I was disappointed in some things…

1. A helmet will not fit in either of the saddlebags, even though I read on the internets that a helmet will fit.

2. To access the saddlebags, one has to dismount the bike, insert a key in the trunk area (like a car without a remote trunk release), to unlock the latches for the saddlebags. What a PITA unless you never need to access the bags along the way…(now that I think about it…how often do I do that?? :confused:)

3. The audio system - a less than modern configuration. There is a connector for your phone's headphone jack, but it did not fit well along with my Otterbox protector. Even worse, someone at Honda thinks that one must play music and NOT charge their phone simultaneously; it is not possible to connect your charger to the phone AND have the phone connected to the audio jack at the same time. The power receptacle is corded, but one cannot close the weather-proof compartment while the cord is run into that compartment as the latch will not allow the panel to close. It is either the music, or the 12 V charger…not both...which then would require the panel to be open while riding or a separate mount for your phone. Also, the receptacle Honda provides requires a separate connector, to be purchased of course, because the factory power supply set up does not connect with any device.

4. I did not start or drive the bike; just wanted to sit on it. Good seating position, as I like having my feet directly under me (straight lower leg) or slightly out front; firm but compliant seat which would probably be comfortable for long distance. Lots of leg room. Much more than the regular Gold Wing with its backrest that eats up seat length.

I like it, but was not tempted at all. Meanwhile, the ol' 1100 drove me home last night through a thunderstorm at midnight, sure-footed as always. That was the first time I had ridden in anything other than a light sprinkle. Good thing I like because it appears as though I will be riding it for another year or two. The dealer's best price was $19,800 (MSRP $21,599) including a rebate. Not a bad deal if I was ready to buy. I think I will rig up a phone charger and get a RAM mount for the 1100…I need to be able to charge my phone while riding, and use the Mapquest app from time to time. The Ultimate seat is on its way, so I think this additions will tide me over for awhile. She is closing in on 40,000 miles!
 

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Did you go to one of the Rochester dealerships ? I dunno man, its not popular hereon a Yammy site but I'd strongly consider test riding a Victory if you must. I wont even say Harley because everyone hates them (even though they've never ridden one). But either an HD or a Vic...well you will end up on one eventually so why wait? Jap bikes are no comparison to the heavyweight American bikes. And I say that having ridden them all.

Stop looking at those jap bikes and get a real one.
 

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Yes, Canandaigua Motorsports. Victory Cross Country #2 on my list. Thing is, I read that the saddlebag covers rattle and the gauges are not always accurate; I hate that lack of detail in any machine (Jap bikes, sleds and ATVs are superbly built)…plus I LOVE that 6 cylinder motor…soooo smooth…but the Victory has a better audio system, locking system and is American made…very big plusses in my book, especially the last one.
 

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I REALLY like the look of the NM4, I'm digging the futuristic style. But, the engine it too small for me. I also like the FB6, that might be something to look at later on.

In regards to "getting a real bike" comment. I don't think that's fair at all. I have ridden quite a few different bikes over the last 20 years and the "Jap Bikes" are my favorite by far. My father has an 06 Ultra Classic and I do not like it at all. I've also ridden an 03' Road King, it was, in my humble opinion, nicer/more comfortable than my father's Ultra Classic. I have not ridden a Victory, so I can't weigh in there. I would not trade my V-Star for either of the two H-D's I've ridden. Are they beautiful bikes? Yes. Did my father pay almost 7x more for his bike than I did for mine? Yup, and he had more miles on his. Granted, a lot more bells and whistles on it, but I could add all the stuff he has on his bike (bags/trunk/fairing/radio) and still be in it for less than half of what he paid for his. And don't get me started on maintenance and repairs.

I think that a lot of people buy "Jap Bikes" because they're affordable (half the price in most cases) and just as beautiful in most cases as an H-D. But to say they aren't "real bikes" just because their manufactured in Japan isn't a fair statement.

But, that's just my opinion. Please don't take this as an attack, that's not it. ;)

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Not a fan of the F6B. If I was going for that style bike I would just buy the GoldWing.

The F6B is a bike with an identity crisis. It has the rider comfort for days of riding but the storage capacity of an afternoon run.
 

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Not a fan of the F6B. If I was going for that style bike I would just buy the GoldWing.

The F6B is a bike with an identity crisis. It has the rider comfort for days of riding but the storage capacity of an afternoon run.
Phil, I understand what you mean, though I think it has enough storage for a minimally-packed weekend. It does annoy me that there is not enough room in either bag for a full-face helmet.

The main draw of the F6B is the engine…a super smooth and torquey dream six-cylinder. I also like the wide fairing that is easy to see by other vehicles - almost looks like a small car coming down the road.
 

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I love the looks of the F6B, but my wife would never go for it, she cannot let go of the fact that it is a bagger Gold Wing.
 

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Did I miss something? Why is this bad?
It isn't bad at all. The F6B is a sporty, powerful, smooth and comfortable ride. It isn't the touring machine that a true Gold Wing is but it is a great motorcycle. I agree with a previous post that it has an identity problem. It is like any other motorcycle....some love it, some could care less and some may hate it. I wouldn't pick it as my next motorcycle but I do think it is a good looking motorcycle.

I have looked at them closely in comparison with the Gold Wing. Between the two I'd pick the "real" Gold Wing. Of course like other posts, that is just an opinion.
 

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Gotcha. I agree with you, except for going for the real Gold Wing. I saw one while the Mrs. and I were out for ice cream tonight. I am starting to agree with a colleague of mine (and fellow rider) that it is "too RV-ish". Perhaps at age 39 I have not grown into it yet.

Also, I sat on one at the dealership. There is much less "room" for the driver than on the F6B, believe it or not. I am 6'1", 225, and it is very close to being described by me as cramped. I love the space and other practical features, though.

No ABS, an outdated audio system and the inability to put a helmet in the bags are what I don't like about the F6B. The Cross Country has all of those things, but I would prefer the flat-6 over a V-twin. The build quality of the Honda is far superior to the Victory. The Victory is $3,000 cheaper. Decisions, decisions.
 

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I always tell people that I cannot wait until I am old enough to own a Goldwing. I figure 50 is appropriate.

Just think, riding in shorts with sandles and an old polo shirt that doesnt match.....nothing better.
 

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i always tell people that i cannot wait until i am old enough to own a goldwing. I figure 50 is appropriate.

Just think, riding in shorts with sandles and an old polo shirt that doesnt match.....nothing better.
lmao :d:d:d:d
 

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I have looked at them closely in comparison with the Gold Wing. Between the two I'd pick the "real" Gold Wing. Of course like other posts, that is just an opinion.
As would I. But the Gold Wing is no inexpensive bike. A lot of guys talk about how expensive a Harley is, but a Wing is more than an Electraglide in terms of MSRP. Both very nice bikes. I personally prefer the classic look of a Harley, Indian and some of the Japanese cruisers. The wing just doesnt look like a motorcycle is supposed to look....but thats just me. It will outperform pretty much anything out there though on a long trip. Maybe when I'm 75 I'll get one ?? Not sure.

The Yamaha line looks fantastic IMHO. 650 - 950 - 1100 -1300. Sharp looking bikes all of them for sure.
 

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I like 'em…but...

The Yamaha line looks fantastic IMHO. 650 - 950 - 1100 -1300. Sharp looking bikes all of them for sure.
No doubt. However, IMO, Yamaha does not have an offering on par with the F6B or Cross Country. I like the 1300, have considered in the past, but I am looking for more.

What is your basis for this statement ? Just asking. Thanks.
I have read probably a dozen articles/reviews on the Victory CC and the F6B. Most of the reviews on the CC note its slightly below average build quality, including the switchgear, instruments, and the rattling saddlebag covers that the guys over on the Victory forum have an active thread on how to solve. I don't like the thought of spending nearly $20k and having less than high quality craftsmanship. Plus, I am anal about details such as gauges, switches, etc.
 

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No doubt. However, IMO, Yamaha does not have an offering on par with the F6B or Cross Country. I like the 1300, have considered in the past, but I am looking for more.



I have read probably a dozen articles/reviews on the Victory CC and the F6B. Most of the reviews on the CC note its slightly below average build quality, including the switchgear, instruments, and the rattling saddlebag covers that the guys over on the Victory forum have an active thread on how to solve. I don't like the thought of spending nearly $20k and having less than high quality craftsmanship. Plus, I am anal about details such as gauges, switches, etc.
Thanks. I would ride one though if you havent already since its hard to get to know a bike by reading about it. I logged over 85K on a pair of Victory's. They were very reliable, and smooth. Built like tanks, although they've cheapened them up since then. There were less than 2000 registered Vics back when had my 99. It was a big deal when you saw another Victory.

Looking at the money you are spending you really should look at a Harley too. I'm not trying to be a Harley cheer leader here, but just for info. You are spending a big chunk. Consider all the options. Best of luck. You'll be happy with whatever you get on this level.
 

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Thanks. I would ride one though if you havent already since its hard to get to know a bike by reading about it. I logged over 85K on a pair of Victory's. They were very reliable, and smooth. Built like tanks, although they've cheapened them up since then. There were less than 2000 registered Vics back when had my 99. It was a big deal when you saw another Victory.

Looking at the money you are spending you really should look at a Harley too. I'm not trying to be a Harley cheer leader here, but just for info. You are spending a big chunk. Consider all the options. Best of luck. You'll be happy with whatever you get on this level.
I am planning on stop at Filer's one of these to do a Victory test-sit…I see the Precision Power has a few in stock, too, so perhaps I will make it out there.

Not planning a purchasing anytime soon. Still paying for a couple of the toys on the list below!

As for the Harley, I honestly am trying to get away from the V-twins. I appreciate the raw low-end power but the vibration during acceleration and at higher interstate speeds is fatiguing I have noticed. My first bike, an '82 Suzuki GS650 4-banger, was sweet and smooth. That is why, despite its shortcomings, the F6B remains in first place. I will consider a Harley, but I have always been the type to go against the mainstream and the mainstream is a Harley. if it present good value, many features and good workmanship, it will be on my list regardless of what it is.

I still need to check out the Triumph lineup. There are three dealers in the area.
 

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I am planning on stop at Filer's one of these to do a Victory test-sit…I see the Precision Power has a few in stock, too, so perhaps I will make it out there.

Not planning a purchasing anytime soon. Still paying for a couple of the toys on the list below!

As for the Harley, I honestly am trying to get away from the V-twins. I appreciate the raw low-end power but the vibration during acceleration and at higher interstate speeds is fatiguing I have noticed. My first bike, an '82 Suzuki GS650 4-banger, was sweet and smooth. That is why, despite its shortcomings, the F6B remains in first place. I will consider a Harley, but I have always been the type to go against the mainstream and the mainstream is a Harley. if it present good value, many features and good workmanship, it will be on my list regardless of what it is.

I still need to check out the Triumph lineup. There are three dealers in the area.
Sounds reasonable to me. BTW, I test rode a Triumph Rocket III Tour and a T-Bird Storm and all I can say is OMG. If I decide to trade the Harley (or the Yamaha for that matter) that R III is #1 on the list. My God what a riot that 17 miles was !!

Precison is very close to me. If you decide to swing by there let me know. I'll meet you up there and we can talk bikes...maybe take a short ride. All good.
 
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