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In 2017, I was lured away from my V-Star 1300 deluxe by an irresistible deal on a 2016 H-D Ultra Limited. Three years and quite a few $$ later, I have it where it's not too bad a ride. But there's things about that still are not to my liking -- it's top heavy, the handling good be better, and for these size motor (103) it's underpowered. Add the fact that I no longer have a local H-D dealer. My Local Yamaha dealer has a left over 2018 Eluder with the TC package, and has made me a killer deal. I'm looking for feed back from anybody who's had one for a while to see how it's working out. I'm doing some searching around the inter-webs and found a few things that I'd like to confirm as real problems or not:
  • Some folks have had trouble with electrical gremlins.
  • The Nav/infotainment system has pretty much been orphaned and is unsupported.
  • There have been reports of fuel pump problems
  • It's a big, torquey motor, so no need to over-rev it
And some questions:
  • what kind of fuel mileage are you getting? My H-D gets about 43 in everyday work. I suspect the Eluder will not do quite that well, but I'm curious
  • How many miles are you getting out of a set of tires? Heavily influenced by the right wrist, I know, but wondering if these things chew up tires like the old Stratoliner did.
  • Everybody mentions the heat coming off the motor, but that no real surprise to me, and coming of the H-D, ain't real scary either.
  • Are the saddle bags really weather proof?
Thanks in advance for any feedback
 

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Welcome back. Once you ride the eluder you'll have to have it. (I did, as soon as I test drove it I was hooked.)
To answer your questions:
1) I get 45 mpg out touring the countryside and a little less driving back an fourth to work in town.
2) I'm at 12,000 on the stock tire and it's time or a new one. Current one could have gone further but it got a cut on it and I'm waiting until next season to get a new one.
3) Heat is tolerable. Yes it get's hot but not literally burn you hot. Others have been burned but it is weirdly bike specific you might get lucky like me and get one that doesn't run as hot.
4) Saddle bags are indeed completely waterproof. I ride in the rain more than I like to and none of my gear has ever gotten wet.
 

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I just picked up my Eluder 1-1/2 months ago and only have a little over 600 miles on it. I went from a Vstar 1300 to a Roadstar 1700, both 2007's and I still have those bikes. The Eluder by far is a my favorite bike and think if your getting anywhere close to the deal I got ($14,999 out the door) with no setup or destination charges, you can't go wrong. This is a much refined version of the Roadstar motor that came out in 1999 with the air cooled V-twin, 4 valve per cylinder motor. Even though I've seen people say it's the same motor as the Strat or Roadliner, it's not, it is a new design. As far as comparing to a Vstar 1300, there's no comparison. The Vstar 1300 may have a couple of advantages, like less weight to move in parking lots, water cooled so less heat from motor to deal with, and is higher revving (6k rev limiter) but really nothing else. If you are more like a sport bike rider and like running your rpm's up from every stoplight, you may like the Vstar 1300 better, but the Eluder just doesn't need that. I've read that some people think the Eluder redline could of been a little higher, but it doesn't bother me a bit. The original Roadstar 1600 was a little to low at 4200 redline, but the upped that on the 1700 through 2007 to 4750. There's so much more torque, you don't need to rev it to redline in my opinion.

Handling while moving is great, way better than my Roadstar, and probably on par with the much lighter Vstar 1300. The the static weight to move in a parking lot can be a little bit of a choir, depending on grade and surface of parking area.

One thing I've read for comparison to the Harley, is most of the bigger Yamaha's V-twins, Venture/Eluder included, have a about a 3" longer wheelbase, so they may be more comfortable for a taller riders to stretch out.

Your the first I haven't heard of any electrical gremlins.

The original navigation on my bike Rev xx11.xx seems to work ok, but I haven't got the headsets, or tried bluetooth or CB, I think that what is affected the most. You can do 2 upgrades, 1st one free, second one you have to upgrade the Maps of $100. But yes, they change the software supplier on the 2019/2020 Ventures that's not compatible with the 2018. Not a deal breaker for me, I don't think I'd ever use the CB and my wife doesn't ride with me so the intercom doesn't matter either.

Don't know about fuel problems.

I've been averaging ~40mpg combination highway and stop and go, haven't done a full tank on the highway.

I have no idea yet of tire mileage yet.

My bike seems to be quit warm compared to the Roadstar. I've hear that it gets cooler as engine breaks in. Dealer I bought it from said to buy the lower wind deflectors, that will help a lot while moving. I ordered some but they seem to be on back order. I hope this isn't any indication that the few accessories that Yamaha has for the Eluder won't be supported from the not so good sales numbers. Maybe more Covid related hopefully.

I haven't ridden in the rain, but the bags have a nice rubber seal that I think should be water tight. My Roadstar Silverado hardbags don't have any seal and they are water tight.

Hope this helps a little. If these bikes are built anywhere close to the Roadstar mechanical reliability, they should last over 200K miles.
 

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In 2017, I was lured away from my V-Star 1300 deluxe by an irresistible deal on a 2016 H-D Ultra Limited. Three years and quite a few $$ later, I have it where it's not too bad a ride. But there's things about that still are not to my liking -- it's top heavy, the handling good be better, and for these size motor (103) it's underpowered.
I'm sorry, but I can't help you at all when it comes to the Eluder. Maybe you can help me though.

I was wondering if you could compare for me the 1300 to the Harley. Seating position, ride quality, power, vibration, handling, etc. I just sold my 17 RGU and prior to that I had a 13 Ultra Limited. I'm looking for something lighter but don't have a lot to reference. The 1300 Deluxe is one of the bikes I'm considering. It would be used mainly for local rides and maybe twice a year for long trips. Thanks.
 
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I was wondering if you could compare for me the 1300 to the Harley. Seating position, ride quality, power, vibration, handling, etc. I just sold my 17 RGU and prior to that I had a 13 Ultra Limited. I'm looking for something lighter but don't have a lot to reference. The 1300 Deluxe is one of the bikes I'm considering. It would be used mainly for local rides and maybe twice a year for long trips. Thanks.
This is all highly subjective, but here 'tis:
  • If your RGU had the 107, then power was about the same as the vStar 1300. The 114 is better than the VS, but it's 400cc bigger; it should be. The VS still makes plenty of power, though.
  • The Garmin in the VS is a far superior navigation device
  • No radio on the VS, but didn't really miss it
  • I spent $1500 on suspension upgrades for the Ultra to get it about the same as the VS. I'm also inseam challenged, and put in shorter shocks, fork springs and the kickstand off the 'low' version to help that. The VS fit "out of the box"
  • The stock seat on the Ultra is actually pretty good. You'll be replacing the seat on the VS in short order
  • You may find yourself wishing the VS had a 6th gear. Some folks get around that but swapping the drive pulley for one from a Stryker (one tooth larger)
  • If you like add-ons, the Harley ecosystem is huge. Yamaha, not so much.
  • The stock headlight on the VS is better than the H-D daymaker, and is one of the best I've seen on a bike. Add the accessory running lights and it's even better
  • VS handling is much better.
For the first year I had the Harely, I wasn't convinced I'd traded up
 

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This is all highly subjective, but here 'tis:
  • If your RGU had the 107, then power was about the same as the vStar 1300. The 114 is better than the VS, but it's 400cc bigger; it should be. The VS still makes plenty of power, though.
  • The Garmin in the VS is a far superior navigation device
  • No radio on the VS, but didn't really miss it
  • I spent $1500 on suspension upgrades for the Ultra to get it about the same as the VS. I'm also inseam challenged, and put in shorter shocks, fork springs and the kickstand off the 'low' version to help that. The VS fit "out of the box"
  • The stock seat on the Ultra is actually pretty good. You'll be replacing the seat on the VS in short order
  • You may find yourself wishing the VS had a 6th gear. Some folks get around that but swapping the drive pulley for one from a Stryker (one tooth larger)
  • If you like add-ons, the Harley ecosystem is huge. Yamaha, not so much.
  • The stock headlight on the VS is better than the H-D daymaker, and is one of the best I've seen on a bike. Add the accessory running lights and it's even better
  • VS handling is much better.
For the first year I had the Harely, I wasn't convinced I'd traded up
Thanks for all that. You've got me leaning more in that direction.

I did have the 107. The Ultra Limited had the 103. Comparing numbers I can find on the Internet, I came to the conclusion that the 103 was a little stronger but figured the weight difference would negate that, so they'd be similar.

I have a Garmin for my truck and have always liked it much better than the Boom.

I've got a 34" inseam, never had a problem with the Harleys but wondered how tight the star would be.

I still have an AirHawk cushion, from years ago, that can be put into service until the seat can get sorted out.

I've read about the Stryker sprocket and figured that could be an option if needed. I've also learned about Ivan's mod which reprograms the ECU and seems to get a little more out of it.

As far as add ons go, once I get the comfort and safety stuff sorted out, I pretty much stop there. I'd rather ride than wrench. I suspect, being used, somebody else may have taken care of most of that for me.

The headlight. Now that really surprises me. I've found the Daymakers to be the best I've experienced and just assumed I'd have to upgrade the Star. I ride at night, in the country; lots of critters. I need all the light I can get.

I really appreciate all the info. Thanks.
 
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The headlight. Now that really surprises me. I've found the Daymakers to be the best I've experienced and just assumed I'd have to upgrade the Star. I ride at night, in the country; lots of critters. I need all the light I can get.
To be fair, I've seen very few LED lights headlights for bikes that I like. My wife's Freewheeler has a Kuryakyn aftermarket LED that does not impress. They seem bright in the day; the light is very intense but doesn't light up anything. The daymaker on my Ultra Ltd makes a very bright puddle of light in front of the bike, about 6 feet wide. Outside of that, dark. I live in critter country as well, so ver y aware. The combination of the standard VS/Deluxe headlight and the Yama light bar lit up the road ditch to ditch.

Edit: +1 for Ivan's flash. I didn't do it, but many who did and said it makes big difference.
 

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Took it for a lengthy test ride today (35 miles), and decided to pull the trigger. This is arguably the best handling bike I've ever been on (except maybe my 1300 Deluxe), and the power and throttle response is great. I might opt to put a taller windscreen on it; I will ride for a while first. It's got the trans continental package, so nav, heated seat, fog lights, etc. are part of the deal. Gotta work on some ergonomics -- the handle bars need to rotate down just a little, and I need to adjust the clutch to engage a little closer to the handlebar. Eager to but some miles on it before I have to put it away for winter.
 

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Congrats on your new bike. We need pictures, or it didn't happen.
 

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Nice bike, I just did my 600 mile maintenance on mine. I'm agree with you, I love handling, power, everything except maybe the heat on left side, but I can live with that. Hopefully it will cool down a little as it gets broken in. I didn't ride the bike with low screen, I had dealer install medium recurve, it's the perfect height for me at 6'2". I look over the top of the screen, but the recurve gets the wind over my helmet with little to no buffeting. Adjusting the clutch is as simple as turning chrome dial on lever pivot to higher number, I have it on 5, the closest setting. I have the GT package, and unless you had the fog light added, the are not part of the package. I just got my bag guards, lower wind deflectors and bag inserts today. The low back rest and luggage rack are the next things I'm getting, but the quick release hardware is on back order until Jan 2021. Supposedly Venture/Eluder accessories are hard to get more because of Covid, not because Yamaha's not supporting the low motorcycle sales. The dealer I bought the parts from (which took a month to get) said Yamaha is good about supporting accessories, even though they don't seem to be supporting the 2018 Navigation very well. Congratulations on your new bike.
 

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Called it. Lol Congratulations on the new ride! That black looks nice and stealthy.

For a taller wind screen I would suggest the Gustofson I have the 13.5 lite smoke one and it's perfect for my 6'1" self. It keeps the wind right at the very top of my helmet so I can still get a bit of ventilation without the head shake I had with the stock shorty. Link below for your convenience. (Not affiliated)


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Called it. Lol Congratulations on the new ride! That black looks nice and stealthy.

For a taller wind screen I would suggest the Gustofson I have the 13.5 lite smoke one and it's perfect for my 6'1" self. It keeps the wind right at the very top of my helmet so I can still get a bit of ventilation without the head shake I had with the stock shorty. Link below for your convenience. (Not affiliated)

I just looked at the Gustofson website, I wasn't aware of them. They definitely have many more options on height and color. For reference, the OEM medium height accessory windshield is 15.5" polycarbonate clear for $169 retail. The Gustofson windshields are various heights, Acrylic that starts at $249. There are pros and cons of both, but the Gustofson definitely has the color cool factor. For those interested, here a link about some of the differences.

acrylic vs poly carbonate motorcycle windshields - Bing video
 

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I just looked at the Gustofson website, I wasn't aware of them. They definitely have many more options on height and color. For reference, the OEM medium height accessory windshield is 15.5" polycarbonate clear for $169 retail. The Gustofson windshields are various heights, Acrylic that starts at $249. There are pros and cons of both, but the Gustofson definitely has the color cool factor. For those interested, here a link about some of the differences.

acrylic vs poly carbonate motorcycle windshields - Bing video
Interesting video thank you I didn't know the difference between the two. I haven't ridden with the OEM med windscreen so I can't help with a comparison. I've seen both in person and to be honest it was a looks thing with that purchase. The OEM screen looked to tall to me on the bike just my opinion not trying to knock the good folks who have that screen. With the guss screen having the euroflip you can run a shorter screen and it flips the air up. You don't actually look through the screen when you ride but over it. One con of that though is I seem to get hit by lots of bugs. Way more than my old Tour Deluxe with it's giant windscreen. Whatever you decide on I'm sure you'll love your new bike.

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Did the Gustafsson myself... Only place I could find the tinted and the euro flip at the end was an advantage to get the wind up and over the top of the lid.
I actually took 4" off it to give me something above the OEM shorty and just under the mid.
I'm 6ft and it's perfect...
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