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My 85 year old father-in-law was admitted to a rehab facility due to Parkinson's and dimentia last night. My wife had stayed with him and wanted me to take her a change of clothes. The facility is about 50 miles away so thru her items need in a bag, stapped to bike and took off. Nice hot ride, 96 with 107 heat index. But this is not the reason for post. I'm walking down the hall with bag and helmet in hand and hear someone say, what kind of bike do you have. I look over and there's a guy in a wheel chair with one arm and one leg missing. So I tell him and a conversation started. Find out he had a Hayabusa and in a bad wreck. As we are taking he asked if I always wear gear. I had my helmet, mesh jacket with armor, kelvar jeans and boots. I told him yes except the jeans and that I have mesh pants with armor I use during week over my work slacks. He started to tell me about his wreck. He was doing over 120+ with helmet, shorts, T-shirt and sandals. A car going about 60 came into his lane and ran him into the concrete barrier. He ended up between the bike and the wall with the car pushing and pinning him. The wall ate him up so bad he lost his arm and leg. He looked at me with tears in his eyes and said that if he had the gear on that I used that he would still be whole. I've known people who had taken spills before but never like this. Didn't realize my father-in-law's room was the next room down and my wife had heard the whole story. So when I get in the room with her she gives me a big hug and said she will never guestion the cost of my gear again. I know everyone has a choice and I choose to gear up, Hope y'all do. When I post on new members threads to ride safe, I really mean it. The next few days might not be on site much as family responsiblies are going to take a lot of my time.
 

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wow! I understand the guy was very emotional after this happened to him, and he is probably still being medicated and sedated.

The way you described the accident, with him being pinned to the wall at 60mph or more, I don't think anything would have saved his arm and leg.

Riding gear is excellent if you end up sliding down the asphalt at highway speeds, but it wont save you if you hit something, or are pancaked between a vehicle and something else. Everything has its limits.

The most important thing is to avoid accidents at all costs - riders wearing full gear die in accidents every year.

I had my Ford Fusion up to 100 mph on the thruway last summer for about 2 miles - the highway was empty and I wanted to see how quickly it would break 100. After I took my foot off the gas it took nearly a mile for the Fusion to coast back down to 70mph. I would never ride my bike that fast, not on the roads... maybe on a track after about 10 warm up laps.

I certainly would not disagree with the guy, its human nature to try and go back and figure out what you could have done differently to prevent the terrible thing that happened to you, but at 120mph we are like a 200 lb water balloon.

Im temped to say he is lucky to be alive, but that does not sound right. What a terrible thing for anyone to go through.
 

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Les, also want to say that is sad news about your father. Lost my mom to dementia 10 years ago. Its difficult for the person with the disease, and its difficult for everyone involved.
 

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Les, also want to say that is sad news about your father. Lost my mom to dementia 10 years ago. Its difficult for the person with the disease, and its difficult for everyone involved.
Thanks, we knew this time would come. He's been at home up till now. It's getting too much for us to handle and we are having to make difficult decisions. You are right, the guy is lucky to be alive. He said most of his injuries were due to wall acting like sand paper to his body, not only skin but bone. That's why he lost the arm and leg, not enough there to fix.
 

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Les, don't want to spin off into a conversation about your dads illness. Im sure you have excellent doctors and people advising you.

The most important things I learned (quickly) were, first: don't ask your dad questions. Don't ask him any questions. Its perfectly natural to want to ask how are you feeling? did you eat lunch yet? Remember that time we went on that trip?.... But its very frustrating for the person with memory loss, it makes them very upset and sometimes angry when they cant remember, and when they cant remember important things it makes you upset and depressed too. At first its hard to spend time with anyone without asking questions, it takes a while to get use to just spending time together, and enjoying whatever you are doing in the moment.

The other thing I would suggest is that for some people, music makes a real connection a level that remains, when other things have been lost.
 

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Here in Quebec on a french speaking motorcycle forum, when somebody wants to buy a bike, just about everybody tells them to not buy a cruiser under 1300 cc or a sport/touring bike with less than 600 cc. They say that if you buy something smaller, you end up buying something larger after a few months. I can't see the reasoning behind this except that almost everybody rides over the speed limit. Sure, I can see where 2 large people, lots of baggage and a trailer would need a strong motor but is it really necessary to have 1500 cc or more so that you can go faster than 110 mph? Most of the accidents I see on U Tube are high speed accidents or guys doing wheelies.
 

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Thank you for sharing this with us les. We’ll all have you and your family in our thoughts. Such a sad story about the biker, I hope he heals well physically, emotionally it’ll take quite a while. Please keep us updated on your Father in law.


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Les,
I pray your family will have the strength to handle your situation and the peace to make it through. God bless you all. Thanks for sharing the story also, and I hope it will help someone make a good decision to ride safe in all aspects.
 

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Les ....
From what the guy told you about his accident. Going 120 and then being pinned between a car & the jersey barrier. He is lucky to be alive! Very lucky!

Lots of positive energy & good ju-ju sent to you and yours to deal with the situation as best as you all can.
 

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Thanks for all the well wishes. The hard decision on a hospis was made today at the suggestion on the doctors. We have some time to research and plan finances. Both of my parents passed at an early age and I've never had to face this situation before. Thanks for letting me post this as my motorcycle side of me is about the only release I have. By the way, had another conversation with the injured biker. He was in good spirits today as he took a few steps today with his new leg. He admits that the wreck was his fault due to his speed. It's tough looking at his situation as it could be me. Well maybe not now as I don't drive as crazy as I did in my earlier days. At times I think I look weird when I'm suited up to ride. But today as I walked in all geared up he gave me a thumbs up. So goofy looking or not it's still ATGATT for me.
 

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there are so many times Im thinking, Im just running to the store or bank a few miles away... I can just take my helmet

the thing that always stops me from riding without all my gear, I know that even a minor accident can take months to heal and recover from, and it only takes me 5 minutes to put on my boots and jacket and gloves...

5 minutes vs 3 months - will take that deal every time.
 

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5 minutes vs 3 months - will take that deal every time.
At times I think I look weird when I'm suited up to ride.
We do.

When I fly, the nomex, helmet, and boots are hot, uncomfortable, and look weird. I never fly without it. On a hazmat callout, the chemical suit and respirator are unbearably hot, bulky, and claustrophobic. You don't go in without it.

When I was a cop, my body armor made me look weird, was uncomfortable, incredibly hot, and restricted movement.
My gunbelt weighed 25 pounds all-up, was heavy, bulky, and uncomfortable.
I never went anywhere without them, every day for 20 years.

Police simply get into the mindset that you simply do not go anywhere without your armor. You feel naked without your armor.

Get that way with your gear.
 

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Recommendations for a decent, reasonable priced summer jacket?
I have the Joe Rocket Phoenix, it's a very comfortable jacket, and flows a ton of air. $180
https://www.bikebandit.com/riding-gear-and-accessories/jackets-vests/motorcycle-jackets/joe-rocket-phoenix-ion-mesh-jacket-2015/p/52015

Amazon has the Joe Rocket Phoenix 5.0 for $152 (Never worn it, can't review)
https://www.amazon.com/Joe-Rocket-Phoenix-Motorcycle-Riding/dp/B004KPNHUG?th=1

Bikebandit has the Icon Sanctuary on sale for $162
https://www.bikebandit.com/riding-gear-and-accessories/jackets-vests/motorcycle-jackets/icon-sanctuary-motorcycle-jacket/p/46577

They also have the Icon Overlord on closeout for $88
https://www.bikebandit.com/riding-gear-and-accessories/jackets-vests/motorcycle-jackets/icon-overlord-textile-jacket/p/48298

I'm not a Bikebandit guy, I usually buy from Amazon, RevZilla, or locally, but today Bikebandit seems to have the best prices.

I know black is the normal color for cruiser riders, but I want to be visible and protected. So I wear sportbike gear in red or fluorescent yellow/green, and a modular full face helmet.
 

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there are so many times Im thinking, Im just running to the store or bank a few miles away... I can just take my helmet

the thing that always stops me from riding without all my gear, I know that even a minor accident can take months to heal and recover from, and it only takes me 5 minutes to put on my boots and jacket and gloves...

5 minutes vs 3 months - will take that deal every time.
I have road rash scars and shortened digits to remind me how important gear is. I was wearing the best I could afford and in the safest possible riding situations, race tracks were everyone's going in the same direction, there's usually plenty of runoff and the people around me are conscientious individuals with proven abilities, yet crap happened. If I ever do go down on the street I want to be prepared as much as reasonably possible.
 

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there are so many times Im thinking, Im just running to the store or bank a few miles away... I can just take my helmet

the thing that always stops me from riding without all my gear, I know that even a minor accident can take months to heal and recover from, and it only takes me 5 minutes to put on my boots and jacket and gloves...

5 minutes vs 3 months - will take that deal every time.
The only time I do not have full gear on is when I move the bike short distances. Like the weekend before last, I moved my bike from my driveway to my neighbor's garage, maybe 200 feet. I let the bike warm up & rode her around. I had on boots, gloves and jacket, but wearing shorts. I'm good right? My right inside calf barley touched the pipe and I have a burn that is still healing. It will serve as a reminder that short-cuts do not pay off.
 

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QUOTE=Scrumdown;964632]Recommendations for a decent, reasonable priced summer jacket?[/QUOTE]
I have two mesh jackets I rotate. I commute daily in Houston and need to rotate jackets or they get funky pretty quick.
First one:
https://www.jafrum.com/motorcycle/mens-detour-mesh-motorcycle-jacket-with-ce-armor-8016
Have used this one three years. Fiquire I have worn at least 300 times. Has held up well. Collar is lower and back of neck gets sun. I usually use a cooling towel so no big deal to me. Vents real good. Zippers still working good.
Second one:
https://www.cyclegear.com/gear/bilt-techno-jacket?query_id=97d5e222d18ee6dff0a3d252879bf628
This one is two years old. Comes with zip out liner for cooler spring and fall days. The liner is thin but works good in the 60s. This jacket is favorite. Taller collar. It's a tighter weave mesh, but vents well. I have worn over 200 times. All zippers still work good.

I wash with Woolite in sink and drip dry. They both have held up well. I use these two at least 9 months of the year every day swapping every few days. Hope this gives you a few more options.
 

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Well I bought a Honda shadow 750 a few years ago and intended on keeping it two years and then decide on what to do. I bought the 1300 early the next spring...
So I would call that good advice for almost everyone.
 
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