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Back home after 9416 mile road trip. 10832 total on bike. Rear tire had to be replaced at 8800 miles and front tire being replaced on Thurs. Steering head bearing started clunking about 1000 miles from end of trip. Not impressed with Bridgestone tires but believe the low milage was in part due to high heat high speed traveling in Arizona and Nevada. Getting tire and service on the road was a nightmare. Dealer in Reno whom I had made arrangements with 3 weeks in advance texted when I was 50 miles away that they didnt have my oil, had to reschedule at a shop in Grass valley Ca that sold lawnmowers. 2 dealers in Calgary stated 10 days to get a tire so I ordered one in Williston ND. Became evident tire was not going to make Williston so stopped at a dealer in Rocky MtN House AB who referred me to a Suzuki dealer in Calgary who was able to overnight a tire (WTF) and change it as I was passing through. Buddies Harley had cam chain tightener issues, we stopped at a HD dealer at 5pm on July 3, they kept the shop open and repaired his bike. World of difference in support network between the two brands. Trip Mpg average was 40.2 mpg which included some aggressive twisty driving and high speed very high wind conditions.
 

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based on your post, you had a miserable time ranging between aggravation and nightmare

and a 9400 mile roadtrip on a motorcycle is an ordeal ?!

is that really the gist of the experience?
 

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Trip of a lifetime. Never said it was an ordeal although I was not expecting bad dealer customer service. I did receive excellent customer service from one Yamaha dealer, one Suzuki dealer and one lawn mower dealer. Simply mentioned the experiences that I was not expecting so that others could plan accordingly should they desire. Yamaha is touting this new machine as a Transcontinental tourer and while it is, the dealer network and choice of stock tire is not what it should be.
 

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Trip of a lifetime. Never said it was an ordeal although I was not expecting bad dealer customer service. I did receive excellent customer service from one Yamaha dealer, one Suzuki dealer and one lawn mower dealer. Simply mentioned the experiences that I was not expecting so that others could plan accordingly should they desire. Yamaha is touting this new machine as a Transcontinental tourer and while it is, the dealer network and choice of stock tire is not what it should be.
Harley Davidson has their bad dealers as well, the Naples, Florida Harley Davidson dealer is not open on Sundays and Mondays so don't think Harley Davidson has everyone beat, they don't.

You can find plenty of bad reviews of Harley Davidson service departments.

Nice that you had a trip that you can remember for years to come, I noticed you had your bike pretty loaded down, and you said you had some fun getting on the throttle, that is the number killer of any tire, the right hand.

I live in southwest Florida and it gets damn hot down here, I have many a day had the on board temp display on my motorcycles read from 100 degrees to 106 degrees in the summer time. I avoid riding in the hottest part of the day as much as I can but it is not unusual to see temps in the low to mid 100 degree range.

Heat cycles actually harden the rubber on tires. Race teams will go out and do what they call scuff in tires on tracks that wear out a brand new tire to fast, what the scuffing in does is it puts the tire through a heat cycle and it makes the tire harder so it will wear longer.

I am getting very good tire wear on my Star Venture but I really am not hard on the throttle much at all. I also keep my air pressure at 41 PSI which helps.

Another thing that helps is tire balance, while lead weights will provide good enough balance to keep you from feeling an out of balance tire, as the tire wears it does start to go out of balance and that causes the tire to heat up.

I am running CounterAct Balance Beads in my rear tire right now and the rear tire is running cooler as the PSI only fluctuates one pound and rarely it climbs two pounds on me. The CounterAct Balance Beads keep the tire in balance from day one of riding right up until the tire is worn out and removed.

I have RideOn in the front tire, it also keeps the tire balanced at all times from day one until the tire is worn out and replaced. The RideOn does gain one to two pounds of pressure.

When I had the lead weights on the rims to balance the tires the bike rode smooth but the tires PSI would climb up 3 PSI and sometimes 4 PSI, so there is an improvement using the RideOn or the CounterAct Balance Beads.

I had a set of Centramatic wheel balancers on my Victory and the tires always wore evenly and I got very good mileage out of them and the bike felt like it was riding on glass the balance was so smooth.
 

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Hey Yoop...glad to see you home, safe and sound. I have to tell ya...what I get from reading your running log...at Venture, and here...is that you had a pretty grueling 'track test' for any brand of motorcycle and engine/tranny/power transmission configuration. Your complaints, were not with the SVTC, but with getting expendables (tires, perhaps a drive belt if needed...) things that WILL wear out, and will wear out at different mileage logs, based on where the operation of the motorcycle was. I am very much gratified, that you were in some of the hottest topography, and no engine or transmission problems. You were running up mountain grades, with that SVTC loaded to the gills...and no problems taking on those inclines...and in the end...the SVTC faithfully got you home.

Great news...and most encouraging for a first year bike,,, with first year dealer support metrics and logistics....parts in stock, tires in stock, drive belts in stock...grommets...anything. I just ordered 6 side panel grommets from my dealer (because I anticipate them on the right side, ripping, with the putting it on, and taking it off for one up/ two up rear suspension settings and my Battery Tender lead location behind it. The story on the grommets? 3 weeks to get them. So....I'll bitch about not being able to get a tire within 24 hours of ordering, delivered to my or any dealer (if not already in stock) in about the next 18 months.

Yoop, this is a new bike, new tire size...and it has always taken 18-24 months to have the dealers sort out what they anticipate owners will need, at what mileage that will need it...and in fact my own Yama Mama dealer is going to now stock those side panel grommets, because he sees logistically wise, that they will be wanted by other SVTC and Eluder riders...

So...I take away that you had in fact, a spectacular first year, major trip...and that your SVTC gave no mechanical 'stop-the-show' during those 10,000 miles! Bravo, to Yamaha, and to your SVTC.

Tires? Dealer Logistics regarding them? Pffff.....that will follow. If you would of had an engine seizure, tranny fail,...wheel bearing failure...drive belt split....THAT would concern me, as a fellow owner...not that dealers in bum (you know what) Egypt....didn't have one (front or rear OEM) in stock, or their supply network, couldn't 24 hour it, to them...for myself...not an issue.

Congrat's on your fantastic trip....your SVTC faithfully delivered you back to your front door! THAT'S what matters....tires...we all replace.... :)

Cheers,

Joe
 

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So American, I can relate but what milage are you getting on your stock Bridgestones (tread depth vs Mileage)? My buddy on his Dunlop’s riding the same trip and style, had consistently 2 to 3 32nds better tread depth. Is it radial vs bias or simply compound or a combination. Lying at a dealership is unacceptable at any level and it was my experience it happened more at the Yamaha dealerships I encountered along the way.
 

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Agreed Joe, bike was awesome. My only complaints were the dealer network or lack thereof and less than anticipated tire longevity. Compared to my buddies HD Dunlop’s with the same riding conditions much worse.
 

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Agreed Joe, bike was awesome. My only complaints were the dealer network or lack thereof and less than anticipated tire longevity. Compared to my buddies HD Dunlop’s with the same riding conditions much worse.
What kind of mileage did your buddy get on the trip, before a tire swap out? Curious...

Yoop...you know the old joke of in every town across America...you'll always find three things..

1. A church
2.A U.S. Post Office
3 A Harley Davidson Dealer...

It has been suggested, that there might be a reason for a Hog Dealer found in every town, village, and district. I guess the same reason that there were so many Triumph and B.S.A. dealers, along the routes....unless you packed about 15 Zener Diodes in your jeans.... don't ask...don't ask...same for B.S.A. riders in the '60 and 70's.....I owned a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650....don't ask...
 

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Trip of a lifetime. Never said it was an ordeal although I was not expecting bad dealer customer service. I did receive excellent customer service from one Yamaha dealer, one Suzuki dealer and one lawn mower dealer. Simply mentioned the experiences that I was not expecting so that others could plan accordingly should they desire. Yamaha is touting this new machine as a Transcontinental tourer and while it is, the dealer network and choice of stock tire is not what it should be.
Darkside should help with the limited range of OEM tires.
 

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So American, I can relate but what milage are you getting on your stock Bridgestones (tread depth vs Mileage)? My buddy on his Dunlop’s riding the same trip and style, had consistently 2 to 3 32nds better tread depth. Is it radial vs bias or simply compound or a combination. Lying at a dealership is unacceptable at any level and it was my experience it happened more at the Yamaha dealerships I encountered along the way.
I have had an issue of screws/nails so I have not been able to run one long enough yet to determine the miles. What I was able to determine was a new Bridgestone starts with 9/32 tread depth, the first tire I replaced had just over 3,100 miles on it and I measured the tread depth of that tire and it had used 1/32 of tread as it measured 8/32 tread depth.

You have 7/32's of full safe usable tread depth so take 3,100 x 7 = 21,700 miles now that depends on your right hand as the more you pour the coals to it the more tire wear you will have. I am pretty easy on the throttle so my tire wear is always pretty good on my motorcycles.

I noticed your photos showed you had what looked like a rack hanging off a hitch with gear on it, that moves more weight bias rearward on the rear tire.
 

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So American, I can relate but what milage are you getting on your stock Bridgestones (tread depth vs Mileage)? My buddy on his Dunlop’s riding the same trip and style, had consistently 2 to 3 32nds better tread depth. Is it radial vs bias or simply compound or a combination. Lying at a dealership is unacceptable at any level and it was my experience it happened more at the Yamaha dealerships I encountered along the way.
Don't forget that Harley Davidson has used the same tires forever so they should have them in stock. I went with Michelin Commander II tires on my Harley Davidson Ultra Limited and I put 14,000 miles on those tires before I traded it in and I could have gotten another 10,000 miles out of them.

The stock Dunlops that came on the bike I only got just over 13,000 miles out of them.

You know the new 2018 Honda GoldWing uses the same size tires and if you really need a tire fast you can go through Wingstuff.com. That is who I got my first replacement tire from for my Star Venture, with free shipping it came out of California and I got it in five days, I am sure you can pay for faster shipping.
 

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Buddy is still riding with over 12k on his tires just starting to get to 2/32nd’s. Admit that his bike is probably 100 lbs lighter. My bike was loaded but 50 lbs under the stated load limit including fluids in the service manual so was assuming the tires are rated and sized for that load. I had 5 separate dealers that I had googled as Yamaha motorcycle dealers that simply would not work on the SV when told what it was. Two separate dealers in the same city who told me 10 days to get a tire. 3 dealers who would not return a call or text when they were free. One dealer who’s service department blamed the parts department when the oil I specified three weeks in advance wasn’t there. One Yamaha dealer who went over and beyond and referred me to a Suzuki dealer who was outstanding. And one small shop that sold lawn mowers who overnighted the oil and got the job done. Yamaha is going to hear and names named on all the dealerships both Pro and Con. I strongly suggest anyone traveling distance to plan all service well ahead of time and take names of promises made. Scheduling on the road is not easy especially with limited/non existent cell service.
 

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Funny, but bike was still 50 lbs under stated load capacity. Not sure about the cow bike though.
And what kind of mileage did the dealer tell you the tires were good for given the max loaded capacity? Seriously though, did you not grow up with motorcycles? Aren't you also grey with age and remember the good old days of our youth when motorcycles were significantly lighter/smaller yet couldn't manage anywhere near 8K miles on a rear tire? I'm actually very impressed with how much motorcycle tires have improved over the decades given the unique demands put on them (Michelin Commander II is an example... absolutely mind-blowing). Honestly, if I could justify sinking 27 grand on a motorcycle, I sure as shootin wouldn't be complaining about a measly few hundy on tires every 8K miles.
 

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I just checked the tread wear on the current rear tire, it has just over 2,400 miles on it and it shows it has used not quite half of 1/32 of wear.

For me these Bridgestones look like they will give me 20,000 miles of wear without a problem.
 

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Buddy is still riding with over 12k on his tires just starting to get to 2/32nd’s. Admit that his bike is probably 100 lbs lighter. My bike was loaded but 50 lbs under the stated load limit including fluids in the service manual so was assuming the tires are rated and sized for that load. I had 5 separate dealers that I had googled as Yamaha motorcycle dealers that simply would not work on the SV when told what it was. Two separate dealers in the same city who told me 10 days to get a tire. 3 dealers who would not return a call or text when they were free. One dealer who’s service department blamed the parts department when the oil I specified three weeks in advance wasn’t there. One Yamaha dealer who went over and beyond and referred me to a Suzuki dealer who was outstanding. And one small shop that sold lawn mowers who overnighted the oil and got the job done. Yamaha is going to hear and names named on all the dealerships both Pro and Con. I strongly suggest anyone traveling distance to plan all service well ahead of time and take names of promises made. Scheduling on the road is not easy especially with limited/non existent cell service.
Remember you had a trunk bag plus you have a platform hanging off the rear of the motorcycle with what looks like two good sized bags stacked on it. While you may have been under the advertised weight a lot of that weight was behind the rear tire. That throws the weight bias of the bike more to the rear.

I ride with my wife and have items in the left and right saddle bags with the truck empty so all the added weight on our bike is within what they call the triangle, that is the wheelbase front to rear and the tip of the triangle in the middle of the wheelbase.

The extra rear weight bias you had plus your taking advantage of some good roads to be aggressive on the throttle would promote faster tire wear.

You need to remember this is a new tire that was developed for the 2018 GoldWing and Venture, so it is not going to be widely stocked for a while.

I buy the tire from Wingstuff.com they ship it for free but if I wanted it faster I am pretty sure I could pay for overnight if needed.

What oil are you using? If I was taking a long trip like you did I would bring along the oil if you are not using an off the shelf oil. I use Redline so I know I would need to have it on hand.

There is a reason there are Harley Davidson dealers everywhere, Harleys break down a lot, they are ranked near the bottom of motorcycle manufactures for reliability. Yamaha was ranked at the top for reliability by the way.

Where I live in Southwest Florida there are three Yamaha dealers near me one in Charlotte County, one in Lee County and one in Collier Country, there are also three Harley Davidson dealers one in each of the same counties.

All three of the Yamaha dealers which are multi brand dealers get bad reviews for service, but so do all three of the Harley Davidson dealers so I don't see any advantage for Harley Davidson where I live, and like I posted the Harley Davidson dealer in Collier Country (Naples) is closed on Sundays and Mondays just like the Yamaha dealers. The other two Harley Davidson dealers are open on Sundays but their hours are 9 to 4.
 

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My last two bikes went 12k on a rear tire before needing replacement similar loading and similar roads. This bike was/is a big unknown. I am not complaining just trying to alert others in a similar situation so they don’t get caught unable to get a replacement tire and/or needlessly rescheduling their trip intinerary to get one or worse crashing because they haven’t checked. I’m guessing you must work for Bridgestone.
 

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Sleeping bag and cycle cover made no difference. My dealer experience sucked quite frankly. On both issues I’m just trying to alert others to plan accordingly. Take a transcontinental trip and report back to get some credibility.
 
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