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...and after watching what they did to the front end of the faring...eyebrows?!?!?!?!? I went out to my sleeping 2018...and bent down, and gave the top of the rider's back rest, a kiss,...patted the seat...and left the garage. I am VERY happy to have the '18 version...love my 'Barracuda' front end. I think my bike just went up in value, LOL! Each to their own, of course. So, nothing new behind the faring....yep...my 2018 has retained good value... :)

Looks like they added lights to the air intake scoops...in the dead center...or what I think are LED lights...if not, I don't know what they/that are/is?!?!? The intake scoop new design, to me is not along the lines of Classic, but looks like something from Star Trek. What drew me to the reveal of the 2018 SVTC was a classic, and V-twin tour-de-force. The new air scoop intake design, is too busy for my tastes. My comments, and critiques, are all personal reflections, and not meant to sway another's initial viewing, on what has changed for '19.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=67&v=lAKVMcmlLOo

My personal take?-----They are trying to bring in those that like the new 2018/19 Goldwing's front end appearance....hedging their bets...and that is 'my bet'...lol.

I wonder if they modified the cam lobe/H.D. lifter arrangement...roller bearing, maybe? Maybe not...for there hasn't been a large failure...only a few bikes...and what the owner chooses for oil...how they did their oil change...all of that, can be a large factor, if any failure is noted. My engine, has never had a failure, runs smooth, sounds right for an engine of this configuration, and I think if you put in a good premium synth...with additives that addresses high pressure, cam-lifter action...you'll travel thousands and thousands of care-free miles, years into the future!

Mechanically, there is nothing modified, new, or changed. You just WATCH the left over '18 models now fly out the dealership doors...for they are a good price right now...BUT...if a dealer is thinking the same thing I am...those end-of-season/year prices can start to climb back up to MSRP...especially if they have just tacked on 4-6 % MSRP for '19. My second 'take'? Watch for new members signing on within three months, stating they are the proud new owners of a "I got a great dealer motivated price on a 2018 SVTC/ELUDER!". Just me 'musing' out loud...but I think I have the handle on it...I'll just have to wait and see like the rest of us....

The following '18 front end...clean...the top deck, uncluttered.....'68 Barracuda, baby! :)



 

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You know that was published 6 months ago and is an artist's concept...nothing factually based on what to actually expect from Yamaha for 2019 models.
 

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You know that was published 6 months ago and is an artist's concept...nothing factually based on what to actually expect from Yamaha for 2019 models.
Well, it does not look like a mock up at all...and quite a production unit. They do produce, in the June of the current year, for the next model year...so this might be just the real deal....certainly does not look like a mock-up/artist rendering, to myself. The fact that Honda already has posted to their official websites, their released 2019 (even if it has no changes from the '18 release) has perhaps, a lot of us scratching our heads, with us heading towards mid-month November....and not even the dealers having any information or invitation to view the 2019 SVTC/Eluder...well, you can fill in the blanks, if this is indeed not a true, leaked view.
 

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You know that was published 6 months ago and is an artist's concept...nothing factually based on what to actually expect from Yamaha for 2019 models.
Well, it does not look like a mock up at all...and quite a production unit. They do produce, in the June of the current year, for the next model year...so this might be just the real deal....certainly does not look like a mock-up/artist rendering, to myself. The fact that Honda already has posted to their official websites, their released 2019 (even if it has no changes from the '18 release) has perhaps, a lot of us scratching our heads, with us heading towards mid-month November....and not even the dealers having any information or invitation to view the 2019 SVTC/Eluder...well, you can fill in the blanks, if this is indeed not a true, leaked view.
I called Yamaha the other day and voiced my (OUR) concerns about that very thing.
NO info about 2019, NO info about software upgrades to address concerns we’ve all shared. Their silence on the matter doesn’t give us current owners the “warm fuzzies” about any of this.
 

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I called Yamaha the other day and voiced my (OUR) concerns about that very thing.
NO info about 2019, NO info about software upgrades to address concerns we’ve all shared. Their silence on the matter doesn’t give us current owners the “warm fuzzies” about any of this.
No Tony (Chief), it doesn't...we should have had the Head Logic software and Navigation 'maintenance' before even mid August. Honda has already released their Navigation update to add waypoints, etc...and have announced a new map near about the Spring. What have we had from Yamaha USA/CAN? Nothing...and I'm sorry, but I tag that a black mark against them. This is my second Yamaha motorcycle purchase...(I love the bike...) and that aside, I have not been impressed at all, with Yamaha's client pathway...not at all.

If we don't see an announcement within the next six weeks, for a download update to address what we have all been calling in about...well, can't speak for anybody else...but this will be the LAST Yamaha (anything... marine motor, lawn care, snow machine...ANYTHING) that I will ever buy off of them. This is a high end, multi THOUSAND dollar motorcycle...and where is Yamaha Corp...showing their customer/client support, to deliver the best usage experience for those that have invested in their Mark?

Let them get off of their ass*ss, and put pressure on their sub contractors, like Harmon Kardon...for the abysmal Navigation product that is being complained about, not only on the SVTC, but on the 2018 Wing as well. They went cheap, leaving Garmin...and we are stuck with the sub-par Navigation experience. You don't even get cross over streets to show up...while in a non-dedicated end point, usage of the HK nav system...egregiously and totally unacceptable. Yamaha...where the ***HELL*** are you?!?!? The bike was released to the public, in December/17! Take care of those that invested in your high end, touring product...or I swear...this WILL be the last I will ever purchase from you...! I probably have one more dedicated touring 'new bike purchase' left in my pursuit and hobby...but if no updates are coming...leaving owners high and dry....this will be the last bike with the Yamaha logo in my garage....

Yamaha....want to respond? We're all ears....
 

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I called Yamaha the other day and voiced my (OUR) concerns about that very thing.
NO info about 2019, NO info about software upgrades to address concerns we’ve all shared. Their silence on the matter doesn’t give us current owners the “warm fuzzies” about any of this.
No Tony (Chief), it doesn't...we should have had the Head Logic software and Navigation 'maintenance' before even mid August. Honda has already released their Navigation update to add waypoints, etc...and have announced a new map near about the Spring. What have we had from Yamaha USA/CAN? Nothing...and I'm sorry, but I tag that a black mark against them. This is my second Yamaha motorcycle purchase...(I love the bike...) and that aside, I have not been impressed at all, with Yamaha's client pathway...not at all.

If we don't see an announcement within the next six weeks, for a download update to address what we have all been calling in about...well, can't speak for anybody else...but this will be the LAST Yamaha (anything... marine motor, lawn care, snow machine...ANYTHING) that I will ever buy off of them. This is a high end, multi THOUSAND dollar motorcycle...and where is Yamaha Corp...showing their customer/client support, to deliver the best usage experience for those that have invested in their Mark?

Let them get off of their ass*ss, and put pressure on their sub contractors, like Harmon Kardon...for the abysmal Navigation product that is being complained about, not only on the SVTC, but on the 2018 Wing as well. They went cheap, leaving Garmin...and we are stuck with the sub-par Navigation experience. You don't even get cross over streets to show up...while in a non-dedicated end point, usage of the HK nav system...egregiously and totally unacceptable. Yamaha...where the ***HELL*** are you?!?!? The bike was released to the public, in December/17! Take care of those that invested in your high end, touring product...or I swear...this WILL be the last I will ever purchase from you...! I probably have one more dedicated touring 'new bike purchase' left in my pursuit and hobby...but if no updates are coming...leaving owners high and dry....this will be the last bike with the Yamaha logo in my garage....

Yamaha....want to respond? We're all ears....
I’m right there with you Joe.

YAMAHA, are you listening???

1. Navigation has ONLY 5 WAY POINTS - FAILURE TO ADDRESS THIS!
2. Navigation MUST ENTER COUNTRY EVERY TIME - FAILURE TO ADDRESS THIS!
3. Navigation CANNOT SAVE ANY ADDRESS BY NAME - FAILURE TO ADDRESS THIS!
4. Navigation DOESN’T RECOGNIZE WHAT STATE I’M IN - FAILURE TO ADDRESS THIS!
5. Communications with passenger NOT SEPARATED FROM C.B. TRANSMISSIONS WHEN C.B. IS ON - FAILURE TO ADDRESS THIS!
6. Navigation DISPLAYS NO STREET INFORMATION UNLESS DESTINATION IS SET - FAILURE TO ADDRESS ISSUE!
7. Gear Indicator CANNOT TELL WHAT GEAR BIKE IS IN WITH CLUTCH LEVER PULLED - FAILURE TO ADDRESS ISSUE!

99% of ALL ISSUES can be corrected with a software update!

YAMAHA - GET YOUR CRAP TOGETHER before this turns into the biggest financial failure of your existence!! You are losing your “HONOR”!

Signed: ALL Star Venture Owners in the U.S. & Canada
 

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I would not belly ache too much about the Navigation system, Harley Davidson Navigation on my 2016 Ultra Limited got four or five updates and until the last one it would tell you to go left when you needed to go right or the reverse.

Harley Davidson had all kinds of issues with their navigation system so just because you are getting updates does not mean things are getting fixed in Harleys case they would fix one thing and break two or three other things.

I have had that same issue with my Bicycle Garmin 1030 computers with navigation, Garmin has issued more updates then I can count and they have just finally got that system to be reliable for the most part. They would issue an update and a whole new set of issues would turn up.

The way construction goes on it is hard for any of them to keep up.
 

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I would not belly ache too much about the Navigation system, Harley Davidson Navigation on my 2016 Ultra Limited got four or five updates and until the last one it would tell you to go left when you needed to go right or the reverse.

Harley Davidson had all kinds of issues with their navigation system so just because you are getting updates does not mean things are getting fixed in Harleys case they would fix one thing and break two or three other things.

I have had that same issue with my Bicycle Garmin 1030 computers with navigation, Garmin has issued more updates then I can count and they have just finally got that system to be reliable for the most part. They would issue an update and a whole new set of issues would turn up.

The way construction goes on it is hard for any of them to keep up.
HD has been about 10 years behind technological power curve, so that’s not surprising. Navigational issues aside, the one about having secure passenger communications WITHOUT it being broadcast on C.B. Is extremely important.
 

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No Tony (Chief), it doesn't...we should have had the Head Logic software and Navigation 'maintenance' before even mid August. Honda has already released their Navigation update to add waypoints, etc...and have announced a new map near about the Spring. What have we had from Yamaha USA/CAN? Nothing...and I'm sorry, but I tag that a black mark against them. This is my second Yamaha motorcycle purchase...(I love the bike...) and that aside, I have not been impressed at all, with Yamaha's client pathway...not at all.

If we don't see an announcement within the next six weeks, for a download update to address what we have all been calling in about...well, can't speak for anybody else...but this will be the LAST Yamaha (anything... marine motor, lawn care, snow machine...ANYTHING) that I will ever buy off of them. This is a high end, multi THOUSAND dollar motorcycle...and where is Yamaha Corp...showing their customer/client support, to deliver the best usage experience for those that have invested in their Mark?

Let them get off of their ass*ss, and put pressure on their sub contractors, like Harmon Kardon...for the abysmal Navigation product that is being complained about, not only on the SVTC, but on the 2018 Wing as well. They went cheap, leaving Garmin...and we are stuck with the sub-par Navigation experience. You don't even get cross over streets to show up...while in a non-dedicated end point, usage of the HK nav system...egregiously and totally unacceptable. Yamaha...where the ***HELL*** are you?!?!? The bike was released to the public, in December/17! Take care of those that invested in your high end, touring product...or I swear...this WILL be the last I will ever purchase from you...! I probably have one more dedicated touring 'new bike purchase' left in my pursuit and hobby...but if no updates are coming...leaving owners high and dry....this will be the last bike with the Yamaha logo in my garage....

Yamaha....want to respond? We're all ears....
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I for one hope those people at Yamaha Star Motorcycles are paying attention here too Mr. Excellence!! My wife and I have been eagerly demoing/testing and following the releases of all the new bikes (have not tested the new BMW Grand American yet) and must say, we were impressed with what Yamaha did with this bike and keeping a very close eye on it/the forums. While I still do not see comparable MSRP value to that of the new Honda Goldwing (LOTS of obvious RnD money spent on that one and, my goodness, what a bike - definitely closer to being worth the asking from my perspective) and was somewhat puzzled by some of the stories I had read online about dealerships in Canada and the U.S. being sold out of the new Venture over the summer. I am now shocked to see how the truth was stretched because of the amount of new 2018 left over Ventures and Eluders there are on the market and how competitively they are priced (my neighbor caved in and bought a new/left over SVTC Trans for $19600 - the dealership told him they would not be taking any 2019's in because the bike seemed to be a very hard sell - deals are definitely out there!!). We almost bought one too but, because of a good case of 1st year bike buying geebies and wanting to wait and see how many of these types of real life unhappy (or happy) posts I/we will be reading from people who had jumped in and had been given time to work thru possible internet hype it looks/sounds like we may have been wise to give time for the smoke to clear.
Hopefully this response aids in getting Star Yamaha to take the necessary steps to get behind their offerings and stand by the fine people like Mr. Excellence and others here who put their faith in and who spent the big $$'s in betting on the new Venture!! Calling to memory of what happened to the wholesale/trade-in value of some of the other bikes with this similar motor (Stratoliner/Roadliner) when they did not sell and new left overs were easily had for under 11,000 U.S. dollars for brand new machines, one could easily see where Yamaha may very well be painting themselves into that exact perverbial corner of failure if they do not listen to faithful buyers like you Sir!!
 

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I for one hope those people at Yamaha Star Motorcycles are paying attention here too Mr. Excellence!! My wife and I have been eagerly demoing/testing and following the releases of all the new bikes (have not tested the new BMW Grand American yet) and must say, we were impressed with what Yamaha did with this bike and keeping a very close eye on it/the forums. While I still do not see comparable MSRP value to that of the new Honda Goldwing (LOTS of obvious RnD money spent on that one and, my goodness, what a bike - definitely closer to being worth the asking from my perspective) and was somewhat puzzled by some of the stories I had read online about dealerships in Canada and the U.S. being sold out of the new Venture over the summer. I am now shocked to see how the truth was stretched because of the amount of new 2018 left over Ventures and Eluders there are on the market and how competitively they are priced (my neighbor caved in and bought a new/left over SVTC Trans for $19600 - the dealership told him they would not be taking any 2019's in because the bike seemed to be a very hard sell - deals are definitely out there!!). We almost bought one too but, because of a good case of 1st year bike buying geebies and wanting to wait and see how many of these types of real life unhappy (or happy) posts I/we will be reading from people who had jumped in and had been given time to work thru possible internet hype it looks/sounds like we may have been wise to give time for the smoke to clear.
Hopefully this response aids in getting Star Yamaha to take the necessary steps to get behind their offerings and stand by the fine people like Mr. Excellence and others here who put their faith in and who spent the big $$'s in betting on the new Venture!! Calling to memory of what happened to the wholesale/trade-in value of some of the other bikes with this similar motor (Stratoliner/Roadliner) when they did not sell and new left overs were easily had for under 11,000 U.S. dollars for brand new machines, one could easily see where Yamaha may very well be painting themselves into that exact perverbial corner of failure if they do not listen to faithful buyers like you Sir!!
To address your consideration on the BMW Grand American, I recommend some additional research. The GA was at the top of my list until a significant stability issue surfaced. BMW is aware of the issue and limited the bike to 100 mph or 85 mph loaded with luggage and a passenger. Numerous owners experience severe instability at freeway speeds especially when behind large vehicles like big rigs. I've ridden the Bagger model several times and the GA once but not long enough to experience this issue personally. I have a friend who owned one for a week then traded it in on a BMW GTL due to this issue...of course with a $4500 loss.

Based on my continued search for the best touring bike for me, currently at the top of my list is the 2019 Indian Roadmaster then the Indian Chieftain followed by Yamaha. It appears the SVTC bandwagon was a short trip, but not a surprise for me based on Yamaha's past practices in fixing issues and updates. Not uncommon for updates and changes to take years. I find it amusing that no so long ago anyone initiating anything negative was labeled a troll and dismissed. I am curious if any changes will be made when Yamaha releases the 19 models...I won't hold my breath. I am still a Yamaha fan and I love my Roadstars. Good luck with your decision on a touring bike.
 

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To address your consideration on the BMW Grand American, I recommend some additional research. The GA was at the top of my list until a significant stability issue surfaced. BMW is aware of the issue and limited the bike to 100 mph or 85 mph loaded with luggage and a passenger. Numerous owners experience severe instability at freeway speeds especially when behind large vehicles like big rigs. I've ridden the Bagger model several times and the GA once but not long enough to experience this issue personally. I have a friend who owned one for a week then traded it in on a BMW GTL due to this issue...of course with a $4500 loss.

Based on my continued search for the best touring bike for me, currently at the top of my list is the 2019 Indian Roadmaster then the Indian Chieftain followed by Yamaha. It appears the SVTC bandwagon was a short trip, but not a surprise for me based on Yamaha's past practices in fixing issues and updates. Not uncommon for updates and changes to take years. I find it amusing that no so long ago anyone initiating anything negative was labeled a troll and dismissed. I am curious if any changes will be made when Yamaha releases the 19 models...I won't hold my breath. I am still a Yamaha fan and I love my Roadstars. Good luck with your decision on a touring bike.
Thank you afaycasaym for your input here, it is greatly appreciated! While I am one who takes Internet information in carefully, I am not one who considers opinions of non-owners nonsense as some do (as stated in my comment about what I was reading earlier in the summer about how fast the SVTC was selling and that the 2018's were selling so fast, they were disappearing like butter on hot pancakes, I almost bought one based on that Internet rumor:surprise: - glad I did not do so). I had read recently that BMW had limited the GA to 101 mph but had not even remotely considered it an issue (during a demo we found out the new Wing is also limited at 112 mph but this is no problem for my wife and I as we avidly obey the speed laws). Truthfully, I do not think 85 mph would even be an issue for us (do you know if this limit is actually a bike controlled limiter or is this just a suggestion by BMW?). What will be an issue for us is if we discover this instability issue at legal speeds - THAT would be a deal breaker!
We did test ride the new Indian Motorcycles too and have to say, I think Indian did a GREAT job!! We spent two days demoing them and only had one main complaint in that the Road Master was just to hot for us. We had ridden the Harley's (not a big Harley Davidson fan) a couple weeks before this and actually found the Indian companies bikes to run hotter than the Harleys. We also found the Yamaha SVTC that we had for a weekend (put almost 1000 miles on it) to be fairly warm for 2 up riding up but liveable as long as you stay away from traffic jams. Matter of fact, it was right between Indian and Harley Davidson as far as heat goes,, Indian being the hottest and Harley being the coolest (do not get me wrong, all of them are warm as none are were fully water cooled). My wifes legs simply could not handle the heat from the Indian Road Master. Other than that, and maybe the higher cost, that Indian is one amazing motorcycle.
I am still thinking we may end up with a new left over SVTC, if for nothing else than what it appears they are going to be worth when they bottom out. If a person can by a new left over Star for exactly 1/2 of that of a new Indian Roadmaster and the Roadmaster does not have the goodies on it the new Star has (this is still riding on the hope that Yamaha does read this thread and come thru for people like Mr. Excellence - otherwise, investing in the Yamaha if the manufacture is just going to let them rot on the vine, then its a mute subject) I think that is the direction we will go. At that point, I could buy 2 left over Yamaha's for the price of one new Indian >:)
 

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Thank you afaycasaym for your input here, it is greatly appreciated! While I am one who takes Internet information in carefully, I am not one who considers opinions of non-owners nonsense as some do (as stated in my comment about what I was reading earlier in the summer about how fast the SVTC was selling and that the 2018's were selling so fast, they were disappearing like butter on hot pancakes, I almost bought one based on that Internet rumor:surprise: - glad I did not do so). I had read recently that BMW had limited the GA to 101 mph but had not even remotely considered it an issue (during a demo we found out the new Wing is also limited at 112 mph but this is no problem for my wife and I as we avidly obey the speed laws). Truthfully, I do not think 85 mph would even be an issue for us (do you know if this limit is actually a bike controlled limiter or is this just a suggestion by BMW?). What will be an issue for us is if we discover this instability issue at legal speeds - THAT would be a deal breaker!
We did test ride the new Indian Motorcycles too and have to say, I think Indian did a GREAT job!! We spent two days demoing them and only had one main complaint in that the Road Master was just to hot for us. We had ridden the Harley's (not a big Harley Davidson fan) a couple weeks before this and actually found the Indian companies bikes to run hotter than the Harleys. We also found the Yamaha SVTC that we had for a weekend (put almost 1000 miles on it) to be fairly warm for 2 up riding up but liveable as long as you stay away from traffic jams. Matter of fact, it was right between Indian and Harley Davidson as far as heat goes,, Indian being the hottest and Harley being the coolest (do not get me wrong, all of them are warm as none are were fully water cooled). My wifes legs simply could not handle the heat from the Indian Road Master. Other than that, and maybe the higher cost, that Indian is one amazing motorcycle.
I am still thinking we may end up with a new left over SVTC, if for nothing else than what it appears they are going to be worth when they bottom out. If a person can by a new left over Star for exactly 1/2 of that of a new Indian Roadmaster and the Roadmaster does not have the goodies on it the new Star has (this is still riding on the hope that Yamaha does read this thread and come thru for people like Mr. Excellence - otherwise, investing in the Yamaha if the manufacture is just going to let them rot on the vine, then its a mute subject) I think that is the direction we will go. At that point, I could buy 2 left over Yamaha's for the price of one new Indian >:)
The 85 mph on the GA is the recommended max speed in the owners manual. The 101 limiter or the recommended max of 85 mph on the GA wouldn't be an issue for me as well except occasionally when needing to pass. It's the combination of the tour pack and the angle of the floorboards that seem to create the instability issues. BMW should encapsulate the floorboards into the lower part of the fairing, but that would require a complete redesign. The deal breaker for me is the stability issue which occurs at normal freeway speeds primarily when behind a large vehicle. If you don't need a tour pack, the Bagger model doesn't seem to have these issues.

Did you ride the new 19 Indian with the rear cylinder deactivation? I rode one and found the heat very reasonable for a V-twin when stopped or moving very slow when the rear cylinder is off. I probably wouldn't consider an 18 and older model due to the heat issues. Many owners are removing the catalytic converter and going with aftermarket pipes...i personally don't have any interest in doing this mod on an older Indian. The 19 Indians I recently rode were in 90 degree temps and found the heat well below the SVTC I rode during the same conditions(actually it was about 80 degrees when I rode the SVTC).

MSRP on the Yamaha and Indian aren't far enough apart to exclude the Indian, but when you look at some of the deals on the 18 Yamaha's it's significant...8-10k. There aren't those kinds of discounts offered yet in my area.
 

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I for one hope those people at Yamaha Star Motorcycles are paying attention here too Mr. Excellence!! My wife and I have been eagerly demoing/testing and following the releases of all the new bikes (have not tested the new BMW Grand American yet) and must say, we were impressed with what Yamaha did with this bike and keeping a very close eye on it/the forums. While I still do not see comparable MSRP value to that of the new Honda Goldwing (LOTS of obvious RnD money spent on that one and, my goodness, what a bike - definitely closer to being worth the asking from my perspective) and was somewhat puzzled by some of the stories I had read online about dealerships in Canada and the U.S. being sold out of the new Venture over the summer. I am now shocked to see how the truth was stretched because of the amount of new 2018 left over Ventures and Eluders there are on the market and how competitively they are priced (my neighbor caved in and bought a new/left over SVTC Trans for $19600 - the dealership told him they would not be taking any 2019's in because the bike seemed to be a very hard sell - deals are definitely out there!!). We almost bought one too but, because of a good case of 1st year bike buying geebies and wanting to wait and see how many of these types of real life unhappy (or happy) posts I/we will be reading from people who had jumped in and had been given time to work thru possible internet hype it looks/sounds like we may have been wise to give time for the smoke to clear.
Hopefully this response aids in getting Star Yamaha to take the necessary steps to get behind their offerings and stand by the fine people like Mr. Excellence and others here who put their faith in and who spent the big $$'s in betting on the new Venture!! Calling to memory of what happened to the wholesale/trade-in value of some of the other bikes with this similar motor (Stratoliner/Roadliner) when they did not sell and new left overs were easily had for under 11,000 U.S. dollars for brand new machines, one could easily see where Yamaha may very well be painting themselves into that exact perverbial corner of failure if they do not listen to faithful buyers like you Sir!!
It's a great bike...both my wife and I in fact rave about the bike, and its feature set. We love the power, the ride, the MPG, well, the 'all' of it. That is not the problem as my wife and I see it. The problem, is that Yamaha has gone silent....we check weekly on the Canada site for an update...and of course, the experience to date...has been....ziltch. No release announcement or any press of a '19 model. My wife and I have a true and honest fear, that this might be a one production year 'wonder'.... If Yamaha orphans us all, they had better damn well, have parts available for the Yamaha Star Venture/Eluder for the next ten years..AND....AND...no parts production so little in volume, that if you need a major part...you'll wait 4-6 weeks or more of the riding season, while your bike sits at home, or gets banged around at the dealer...waiting. No news...whatsoever...to even their dealers....is giving my wife and I, the creeps that Yamaha has walked away after only one production year...with their hybrid touring---'experiment'. Yamaha Corp...we know that you lurk upon Yamaha dedicated sites for the 'pulse'....so want to make people feel more secure that have thousands of dollars invested with you?!?!?....SPEAK UP....RESPOND...your silence and non-communication to dealers, to customers...even in lack of print....is damming and silent-deafening. Not good....Yamaha....you need some serious and LOUD, P.R....and not in April (if even then!)...but NOW.... At least...for this customer....while I'm still...a customer....
 

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Dollar for dollar the Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental is the best value of any touring motorcycle being sold.

To get close to the features of the Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental you have to step up to the Harley Davidson CVO Ultra Limited and you still come up short on features when you go down a list. Cost of that CVO if you get the standard paint, $43,889 and you still have to spend $2,000 to $3,000 dollars dealing with their 3 inch travel rear suspension.

Harley has their own issues going on, their Milwaukee Eight engine has had a multitude of problems from transferring the oil from the transmission to the primary, the engine oil pump, yet another recall for a defective hydraulic clutch slave cylinder.

Indian Roadmaster again to get the full blown luxury treatment you have to step up to the Roadmaster Elite, but I don't even see that model listed on the Indian web site now, price of that Motorcycle was $36,999 the standard Indian Roadmaster is $28,999 and you get a cable operated clutch, no hydraulic clutch.

Honda Goldwing Tour, no trunk space, suspension issues, problems with their automatic hanging up in one gear, at least one documented engine failure reported. Price $27,000.

BMW you have two choices the Grand America with Floorboards or the K1600 GTL without floorboards, both priced at $25,595 and both bikes are designed different, just look at them on the BMW web site, you can see the design differences with the how they built the two models.

https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/all-models.html#/filter-tour

No other touring motorcycle gives the passenger so many features in the infotainment system.

The Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental offers more features than any of the touring motorcycles out there, price $26,999.

For me I would rather Yamaha when they come out with an update that they take their time and try to iron out as many bugs before releasing it, too many times companies rush out updates only to have the updates cause/create new problems.

I am happy with the Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental, it is the best touring motorcycle we have ever owned and we have owned a 1989 Honda Goldwing GL1500, a 2013 Victory Cross Country Tour, a 2016 Harley Davidson Ultra Limited and this 2018 Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental is just a better motorcycle than the others overall.
 

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The 85 mph on the GA is the recommended max speed in the owners manual. The 101 limiter or the recommended max of 85 mph on the GA wouldn't be an issue for me as well except occasionally when needing to pass. It's the combination of the tour pack and the angle of the floorboards that seem to create the instability issues. BMW should encapsulate the floorboards into the lower part of the fairing, but that would require a complete redesign. The deal breaker for me is the stability issue which occurs at normal freeway speeds primarily when behind a large vehicle. If you don't need a tour pack, the Bagger model doesn't seem to have these issues.

Did you ride the new 19 Indian with the rear cylinder deactivation? I rode one and found the heat very reasonable for a V-twin when stopped or moving very slow when the rear cylinder is off. I probably wouldn't consider an 18 and older model due to the heat issues. Many owners are removing the catalytic converter and going with aftermarket pipes...i personally don't have any interest in doing this mod on an older Indian. The 19 Indians I recently rode were in 90 degree temps and found the heat well below the SVTC I rode during the same conditions(actually it was about 80 degrees when I rode the SVTC).

MSRP on the Yamaha and Indian aren't far enough apart to exclude the Indian, but when you look at some of the deals on the 18 Yamaha's it's significant...8-10k. There aren't those kinds of discounts offered yet in my area.

Most of the Indian heat issue is engine beak in for the first 500 miles. My Chieftain limited seemed a tad hot but not any hotter than any other bike I have ridden, but after 500 miles it really cooled down. The Roadmaster will always seem hotter due to the fixed lowers on the bottom. (they basically block all the cooling airflow, thus the heat) The 2019's have a better designed lower air-floor vent which is retro-changeable to older models. But I have never been a big fan of the fixed lowers as they are good for cold weather riding which I seldom do. As for the cable clutch, I love it. I hate hydraulic clutches but everyone is different. One great thing about the Indian's is they use a Bosch ECU which is not locked down. Dynojet makes a device that connects tot he bikes data port so you can flash a new tune as many times as your heart desires. Dynojet and Fuel Moto provide tons of maps and support. And for the more advanced guys, it comes with all the tuning software so you can tune it your self especially the drive by wire settings.
 

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The 85 mph on the GA is the recommended max speed in the owners manual. The 101 limiter or the recommended max of 85 mph on the GA wouldn't be an issue for me as well except occasionally when needing to pass. It's the combination of the tour pack and the angle of the floorboards that seem to create the instability issues. BMW should encapsulate the floorboards into the lower part of the fairing, but that would require a complete redesign. The deal breaker for me is the stability issue which occurs at normal freeway speeds primarily when behind a large vehicle. If you don't need a tour pack, the Bagger model doesn't seem to have these issues.

Did you ride the new 19 Indian with the rear cylinder deactivation? I rode one and found the heat very reasonable for a V-twin when stopped or moving very slow when the rear cylinder is off. I probably wouldn't consider an 18 and older model due to the heat issues. Many owners are removing the catalytic converter and going with aftermarket pipes...i personally don't have any interest in doing this mod on an older Indian. The 19 Indians I recently rode were in 90 degree temps and found the heat well below the SVTC I rode during the same conditions(actually it was about 80 degrees when I rode the SVTC).

MSRP on the Yamaha and Indian aren't far enough apart to exclude the Indian, but when you look at some of the deals on the 18 Yamaha's it's significant...8-10k. There aren't those kinds of discounts offered yet in my area.

Most of the Indian heat issue is engine beak in for the first 500 miles. My Chieftain limited seemed a tad hot but not any hotter than any other bike I have ridden, but after 500 miles it really cooled down. The Roadmaster will always seem hotter due to the fixed lowers on the bottom. (they basically block all the cooling airflow, thus the heat) The 2019's have a better designed lower air-floor vent which is retro-changeable to older models. But I have never been a big fan of the fixed lowers as they are good for cold weather riding which I seldom do. As for the cable clutch, I love it. I hate hydraulic clutches but everyone is different. One great thing about the Indian's is they use a Bosch ECU which is not locked down. Dynojet makes a device that connects tot he bikes data port so you can flash a new tune as many times as your heart desires. Dynojet and Fuel Moto provide tons of maps and support. And for the more advanced guys, it comes with all the tuning software so you can tune it your self especially the drive by wire settings.
The Power Commander V tuning module works with the SVTC as well. I haven’t really found a need for it, but if you’re a performance gear head, then just know that you CAN tweak the performance in the Yamaha Star Ventures.
 

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Most of the Indian heat issue is engine beak in for the first 500 miles. My Chieftain limited seemed a tad hot but not any hotter than any other bike I have ridden, but after 500 miles it really cooled down. The Roadmaster will always seem hotter due to the fixed lowers on the bottom. (they basically block all the cooling airflow, thus the heat) The 2019's have a better designed lower air-floor vent which is retro-changeable to older models. But I have never been a big fan of the fixed lowers as they are good for cold weather riding which I seldom do. As for the cable clutch, I love it. I hate hydraulic clutches but everyone is different. One great thing about the Indian's is they use a Bosch ECU which is not locked down. Dynojet makes a device that connects tot he bikes data port so you can flash a new tune as many times as your heart desires. Dynojet and Fuel Moto provide tons of maps and support. And for the more advanced guys, it comes with all the tuning software so you can tune it your self especially the drive by wire settings.
Thanks for that info. Good to know about the older Indians and the break in. One of the features I really like on the Roadmaster is I can have the tour pack off in 30 seconds and the lowers off with three bolts removed. Great for me in warmer weather and when I don't have a passenger.
 

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...after really taking a good look at that '19 'reveal'....and the fact there is no official word from Yamaha, as to a '19 model year for the SVTC/Eluder...I now agree with all that said this is a 3rdP artist creation, not affiliated with Yamaha CAN/USA.
 

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I spoke face to face with Yamaha representatives at the AimExpo in October. They told me there was not going to be a 2019 Star Venture. When I asked why they replied that it was due to the late release of the 2018 models as well as the sales numbers. So I wouldn't look for a change in the Star Venture until 2020 and even then it would be very minor changes.

Software updates to existing bikes are another story. Most of the complaints I've seen are minor and if they weren't fixed at all I'd still love my bike.
I don't know if it is because I'm accustomed to the Harley Davidson lack of customer support, but I don't see these as major problems that would keep me away from the brand.

At the AimExpo I test rode the Indian Roadmaster, the Harley Davidson Ultra Limited, and the Yamaha SVTC back to back to back. The Yamaha was the best bike for me and it wasn't even close. In fact, after I got back from test riding the HD, one of their reps asked me what I thought of the bike and I had to tell him that suspension is horrible compared to the Yamaha. I had already placed a $1000 deposit on an Ultra Limited a few weeks prior because the only color I liked was a limited edition color and hard to find. I told their rep that I was going to buy the Yamaha and I'd forfeit the deposit if I had to.

I bought the Yamaha because it is so much better for me and my lady than anything else on the market and I looked at every touring bike currently offered.
 
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