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Harley built a new engine. Its the same old tired and true design just bigger with better cooling fins LOL. Still has the timing chain, and new automatic hydraulic tensioner. Oh well, guess the masses will be all over it.

Harley-Davidson Unveils Its First New Engine in 15 Years
 

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Sounds like you're bashing Harley?

From what I understand, the engine is totally redesigned albeit it looks similar.

As I recall, Yamaha used the same old "tired and true" engine design from 1983 right thru to 2013 in their Venture line ... what's that... 20 years? At least Harley stopped putting cassettes in their bikes several years ago (did they ever have a cassette player?) and went to FI a long time ago. Yamaha continued to use carbs in their big tourer .. And what is mother Yamaha now offering in a touring bike?

I don't care what anyone says, at least Harley continues to upgrade and improve their product, cater to their clients, and stay in tune with current technology.
 

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I wasn't bashing Harley, the article says it all. I could never justify buying an old, new motorcycle for 20+ thousand. That is why I own the most reliable motorcycle brand, and only spent 8k for a very nice motorcycle. Just personal preference, to each their own.:smile:
 

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About Touring Bikes, the Yamaha FJR 1300 established the Sport Touring Class and uses FI...


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I was referring to Touring as it relates to the Royal Star Venture, Harley Electra & Road glide, Victory XCT and Vision, Kawasaki Voyager, etc etc. While the FJR and the like are classed as touring, they are a very different bike and designed for a different class of rider. Granted Yamaha has some great bikes and most of their lineup has undergone modern technology upgrades, they did nothing with the RSV and RSTD line and it appears nothing new is coming so where are all these die-hard Yamaha RSV riders going to go when it comes time to change? The competition is where and it's already happening.
 

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I was referring to Touring as it relates to the Royal Star Venture, Harley Electra & Road glide, Victory XCT and Vision, Kawasaki Voyager, etc etc. While the FJR and the like are classed as touring, they are a very different bike and designed for a different class of rider. Granted Yamaha has some great bikes and most of their lineup has undergone modern technology upgrades, they did nothing with the RSV and RSTD line and it appears nothing new is coming so where are all these die-hard Yamaha RSV riders going to go when it comes time to change? The competition is where and it's already happening.


Gotcha and agreed.

I mentioned FJR because I have been eyeing them for a bit now.

They are definitely more slanted toward "sport". For the classic tourer machines, I agree that there are lots of contenders - the question for this class is what do people want out of this type of bike? I hear comfort over all else...


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Gotcha and agreed.

I mentioned FJR because I have been eyeing them for a bit now.

They are definitely more slanted toward "sport". For the classic tourer machines, I agree that there are lots of contenders - the question for this class is what do people want out of this type of bike? I hear comfort over all else...
If I was a single man, I'd probably be riding an FJR or something similar but when an old fart like me is packing around his equally "aged" spouse ... comfort is what it's all about, not to mention modern features.

A happy wife makes a happy life ....
 

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i'm no engineer, but what about this new engine is "old tired and true design"? this article is the 2nd independent source i've seen explaining all the advances and benefits over the previous iteration that make it sound like a good product. i'm vocal about saying Harley is overrated and over-priced, but their bikes have made massive strides in quality and technology over the past decade or so.
 

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i'm no engineer, but what about this new engine is "old tired and true design"? this article is the 2nd independent source i've seen explaining all the advances and benefits over the previous iteration that make it sound like a good product. i'm vocal about saying Harley is overrated and over-priced, but their bikes have made massive strides in quality and technology over the past decade or so.
They are that, but the article also said the engine creates more heat, that is why they have made all those improvements. It also still has the cam chain tensioner shoes like the twin cam. Just wonder how the real world tests will fair? In my opinion, and its only my opinion. The V rod has an excellent engine to build off of. But as usual the flock hates the V rod. That is the only Harley I would buy if I ever bought one. They didn't design that engine! Harley makes a nice bike either way, just too rich for my blood. Could buy another car for that kind of money.
 

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Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed all of the HD talk is coinciding with Discovery Channels debut of the 'Harley and the Davidsons' mini series airing tonight? Guess I'm just thinking out loud, again, lol. IMG_3024.JPG


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Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed all of the HD talk is coinciding with Discovery Channels debut of the 'Harley and the Davidsons' mini series airing tonight? Guess I'm just thinking out loud, again, lol. View attachment 62721


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Can I say I actually forgot about it. Guess I'm not a true American LOL!
 

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Wasn't the engine debut immediately following getting hit by the epa? Nice shift of focus, lol.
 

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I think the day after the whole epa thing i saw the first news at least big news ne how that they would be unveiling the new engine. Lol. Interested in seeing some reviews of the new power plant once it's been out a bit.
 

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I think the day after the whole epa thing i saw the first news at least big news ne how that they would be unveiling the new engine. Lol. Interested in seeing some reviews of the new power plant once it's been out a bit.
I still say the Vrod engine would have been a better platform. Watercooled, overhead cams. 100+hp with mods. Would make a big bike scoot on down the road.
 
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