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Stupid stereotypical crotch rocket rider. He will be dead soon one of these days due to his aggressive riding style . He was the one not paying attention, all the traffic in front had slowed and or stopped and he didn't and he was riding faster than the flow of traffic. The woman didn't pull in front, she stopped in time.


I always tell my fellow motorcycle riders who bitch about cagers Car drivers as a general rule are not necessarily being reckless or complacent (not talking about careless driving, texters, etc) they cannot see motorcycles as well and it is very easy to miss them. As a motorcycle rider, you are at a disadvantage for this very reason, what you have to do is make your self more visible in how you ride. Not talking about attire, but keeping a good distance from other vehicles and maintain a safe speed for situations that warrant that.

Riding a motorcycle in traffic is something like running through a mine field, you have to be caution, you cannot expect drivers to see and avoid you.

This may anger some, but I think everyone that rides a motorcycle should attend a motorcycle safety course. Not for the mechanical riding skills, but for the traps and danger areas you learn to navigate through.

I did a MSF course when I got back into riding again. Not that I needed it to operate a bike. But you never know, what you don't know. I learned a lot about the do's and don'ts.

After that course, I was able to unfortunate see how many riders do so dangerously. I have also been able to see the bad situation coming, adjust my speed and options and by doing so, avoid a incident or accident. Not saying this will always be true.

But the rider in this video was severely in the wrong.

And even if the driver is wrong, move on, too many people these days are "packing" and wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on a "outlaw biker"
 

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There are way too many videos on You Tube with people doing this and all they do is encourage wingnuts like this guy. Every time they see a car even drift slightly over the line they start screaming and shaking their fist. In this case the lady in the car was clearly stopped and he was in no danger from her. All he did was lead her to believe all bikers are like him. People like him give us all bad names.
 

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While there is no reason ever to do what the biker did after then "event" or really "non-event" happened.... I have a different view on this.

The Red Jeep Cherokee is primarily at fault. Why? They gave up their right of way. This is a big pet peeve of mine and I see it all the time. Some driver thinks they are being nice and they stop in the middle of a lane with a bunch of space in front of them and allow other cars to turn in front of them into a blind zone. This happens at an area where people turn across traffic into a shopping center by my home all the time.

UNLESS the road is painted with a "DO NOT BLOCK" message on the ground, the road planners decided it was too dangerous to leave that section open and intend for cars to fill the gaps up and the person wanting to turn will just need to be patient or find a different route to where they are going.

Next the Driver of the car is second most at fault for trusting the Red Cherokee and moving into the turn without being able to see far enough down the road to make a safe turn.

Thirdly the biker should of been paying more attention, I tell everyone who thinks I am being dangerous by riding a motorcycle to work and back that I must at all times be responsible for my own safety.

In the end all three are at fault, but the blame should go in the order presented above IMO.
 

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IMHO all three of you guys are correct. While I see where the Cherokee and the driver of the car contributed to all of this, the biker was clearly wrong in chasing the car down. This can cause people to lump all bikers in a negative view. The biker should have been observing the traffic slowing down in front of him and gone into prevention mode. I'm 62 years old and have been riding bikes off and on since I was 9. I'm in agreement that every biker should take a safety course. I thought I knew a lot and I do, but when I took the MSF course in April of 2016, I learned a lot more. I am an old dog that can learn new tricks. I'm glad bevo shared this video, and this truly is NOT what to do on a bike.


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When you are in the right lane passing cars in the left lane you better be going slow and covering your brakes, because ^this happens all the time.

If the left lane is stopped, and a car is stopped short, then you know someone is squeezing through that space.

I noticed when I use to commute on a bicycle, and now on my MC, some people, when they start wearing a camera all the time, are just DYING for someone to do something so they can run home and post it on you tube.

Does youtube really pay that much money that people are willing to turn themselves into 12 year old girls?!

The other situation I see frequently where I live, there are a lot of two lane streets that become four at an intersection, with the intent the right lane will turn at the corner, but its not required turn only lane.

It sets up the situation, a few cars are stopped in the middle lane at a red light, and just as it turns green someone flys through in the right lane

without slowing down
without making sure no one is in the cross walk
without making sure cars on the cross street are not still coming
without making sure oncoming traffic is not being blinked through to turn left.

Its a total setup for a full speed tee bone, or a head on.

Since I started riding I actually look for these set-up situations and expect them.
 

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Just two days ago I experienced a young male rider almost in my trunk of my car in a 25 mph side street with some dangerous curves. As a motorcyclist myself it was upsetting to me and felt how much riders like this spoil it for others. He finally passed me on a double line, curve and moving probably 40-50 mph crossing the lines. Actually I was glad that he did not remain behind me any longer. There are always drivers whether car, truck, or motorcycle drivers who will continue to endanger our streets and highways. It is up to us to be as responsible as possible, looking ahead, being cautious and staying alert. Ride safe and enjoy~YammyV
 

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What this cat on the bike doesn't realize is that he has gotten so mad and is adrenaline is going so much he can no longer think straight and clearly. He has now unknowingly put himself and those around him at a higher risk because of his temper. I think it's safe to say most all of us have been that angry at some point in our lives. Speaking for myself...I somewhat loose sight of "reality" when I have gotten like that.
That being said he is an idiot. 1st off the lady did nothing wrong. She started across the intersection but stopped short when she saw him coming. who hasn't done that in both their car or bike? Yeah I can see it scaring him but he had no need to react like that. Let him continue to chase down and cuss at drivers...he will be greeted with a bullet to the head if he does it enough.
Where is a cop when you need one? Wouldn't that have been a much better video had the driver been an unmarked plain clothed PD unit?
 

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this is the very reason i slow down in intersections, i would have never turned around just to harass someone who didn't see me if i did i'd be turning around more than i'd be riding, this guy gives all the good respectable riders a bad name
 

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When you are in the right lane passing cars in the left lane you better be going slow and covering your brakes, because ^this happens all the time.

If the left lane is stopped, and a car is stopped short, then you know someone is squeezing through that space.

I noticed when I use to commute on a bicycle, and now on my MC, some people, when they start wearing a camera all the time, are just DYING for someone to do something so they can run home and post it on you tube.

Does youtube really pay that much money that people are willing to turn themselves into 12 year old girls?!

The other situation I see frequently where I live, there are a lot of two lane streets that become four at an intersection, with the intent the right lane will turn at the corner, but its not required turn only lane.

It sets up the situation, a few cars are stopped in the middle lane at a red light, and just as it turns green someone flys through in the right lane

without slowing down
without making sure no one is in the cross walk
without making sure cars on the cross street are not still coming
without making sure oncoming traffic is not being blinked through to turn left.

Its a total setup for a full speed tee bone, or a head on.

Since I started riding I actually look for these set-up situations and expect them.
what i always look for is when a car is getting ready to turn left from a right side street and the car to the right side of him ( the car you don't see ) turns right and you have to brake hard to keep from rear ending him.
 

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judging by how his first instinct was to slam on his brakes and lock up his back tire twice, i would say he's probably an inexperienced rider. the car was not in his way yet and he didn't have to alter his course in any manner, but as soon as he saw the car he slammed the brakes. imo, it doesn't matter if the red jeep or the old lady were doing something wrong. the roads are filled with people who didn't get a 100 on their driving tests. it's nothing personal towards the biker who was obviously not scanning the environment for any possible dangers and possible course corrections/maneuvers as we should all be constantly doing. as others have said, he should have noticed the stopped/slowing vehicles in the lane next to him and thought that there may be a reason he should start slowing down as well.
 

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Soo many right people in this thread. You all said what I was thinking when I watched the video. I have gone off on other people but it was a LOT more than this. One was a lady who passed some of the people in our group, then got right on my ass IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GROUP. She tried to pass again while traffic was coming the other way. She Damn near caused 2 of my people to go down when she dropped in behind me by cutting them off. Then she actually hit the back of my bike (not hard) at a stop sign. When I dove off of it and went back to see what her problem was she was mad at us for all coming out of a stop sign at the same time. BTW there was plenty of room, she was not cut off, we did not drive slow. She was mad we did not all stop individually and put our foot down as a legal stop.
 

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I like the poster of the shipwreck with the caption: Sometimes your life is a warning to others, of what not to do.

This guys video would be great for a MSF class.

One thing that always comes out in these discussions, esp when there is an accident, is debates on who was right or wrong, how this should be, how people are suppose to drive...

That can really be a mental trap. We exist running 99% of the time in our subconscious mind. Most of the things we do we are not thinking about. As a result we are not responding to the actual world, we are responding to the mental map or model that each of us has created of how the world is, and how we think it should be.

The problem is, that only exists in our heads and its not real in the physical world. When you have deep feelings of how other people should drive, what is fair, right, good... it can close your mind to the things you think should not happen

and therefore you do not expect them to happen.

The best example I can think of: driving down the road I see a plumbers truck slowly backing down a driveway ahead.

I think "he will slow down and stop when he sees me. He keeps going.

I think "he will stop when he gets to the curb and look both ways.

The truck gets to the curb, keeps going, straight across the street, into the opposite curb...

Im blowing my horn and skidding the car's brakes and yelling at the idiot!

There was no one in the trunk. Driver didnt set the eBrake and it rolled out into the street.

So thats the point: I had all these expectations about how people should drive backing out a driveway, how the driver should act.

Now I know that sometimes vehicles are running around with NO ONE controlling them (for many reasons).

But the real take-away is that we cannot educate all the other 7 billion people on earth on how to drive. When someone does something dangerous or stupid, the most important thing to get from it is new information on how bad other drivers can be.

Sure we need to fix that one guy and set him straight, but dont spend all your energy on him

because there are 6,999,999,999 more to go.
 

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She was mad we did not all stop individually and put our foot down as a legal stop.
And because of that she honestly felt she was justified to ram her car into the back of your motorcycle? I would of been temped to call the police right then and there....

There was no one in the trunk. Driver didnt set the eBrake and it rolled out into the street.
I think you meant Truck, not Trunk. But yes a very good point, As a rider we need to expect the unexpected and never assume other drivers are looking out for us whether in a car or on a bike.

Local deadly accident involving another sport biker that thought he was invincible. Sad, but hopefully someone learns a valuable lesson from it.
1 dead in motorcycle-truck crash on Route 66
According to that story the bike rider plowed into the back of the Semi that was just going way too fast..... Probably well above the speed limit.
 

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the route 66 crash photos look foggy

I joke with my friends: If you want to get your MC permit in NYS just walk in and take the test, and put "Slow down" for all the answers.

Because the answers to 7 out of the ten questions about riding is always "Slow down", and you only need 70% to pass the written test.

and yeah, when Im not wearing my reading glasses I think the autospell check can see me and screws with my posts.
 

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While there is no reason ever to do what the biker did after then "event" or really "non-event" happened.... I have a different view on this.

The Red Jeep Cherokee is primarily at fault. Why? They gave up their right of way. This is a big pet peeve of mine and I see it all the time. Some driver thinks they are being nice and they stop in the middle of a lane with a bunch of space in front of them and allow other cars to turn in front of them into a blind zone. This happens at an area where people turn across traffic into a shopping center by my home all the time.

UNLESS the road is painted with a "DO NOT BLOCK" message on the ground, the road planners decided it was too dangerous to leave that section open and intend for cars to fill the gaps up and the person wanting to turn will just need to be patient or find a different route to where they are going.

Next the Driver of the car is second most at fault for trusting the Red Cherokee and moving into the turn without being able to see far enough down the road to make a safe turn.

Thirdly the biker should of been paying more attention, I tell everyone who thinks I am being dangerous by riding a motorcycle to work and back that I must at all times be responsible for my own safety.

In the end all three are at fault, but the blame should go in the order presented above IMO.
I have to disagree with you here. The jeep driver saw that the cars in front of him were stopped, so as a courtesy, he left space for the lady to turn. Yes, he could have pulled up and blocked the entrance but that is not necessary since he could only have gone about one car length. The biker is clearly at fault for numerous reasons. 1. It 'appears' he is traveling faster than reasonable for the situation (stopped traffic in front of him), 2.) Panicking when he thought the lady was going to complete her turn and 3.) makeing a total a$$ of himself by chasing her down. She shoulda popped a cap... well, I digress.
 

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Hinson, while the rider was not doing his job as a rider, no one should let people out. I have worked waaaayyyy to many wrecks where the driver said "he/she was letting me out I thought it was clear. About 80% of those happened on a multi lane highway. You do not know what the other driver is doing. They may look like they are going right out of a turn so you let them in front of you, next thing you know they are booking a left. It is not an asshole thing not to let someone out. It is self preservation. Now while riding/driving down the road I see someone put on their turn signal for my lane and it is safe to do so I will let them over because at that point I have control of how close to them I am even if they are getting over to make a sudden turn. Even if I am on a road and someone looks like they want to turn into a driveway I am near I will not give them clearance. How do I know they are not trying to bust a U-Turn so now they are less visible to the traffic coming from the other way due to less of their vehicle in the lane, or they look like they pull into the driveway then finish their U-Turn as I start forward thinking they are pulling into the driveway. Just my .02
 

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I have to disagree with you here. The jeep driver saw that the cars in front of him were stopped, so as a courtesy, he left space for the lady to turn.
I try to be reasonable when discussing things online, but in this case you are wrong. The jeep driver gave up his right of way, which is very dangerous and not just for motorcycle riders.

Giving up the right of way may "seem" like the courteous thing to do, but it is a big no-no when driving. One of my biggest pet peeves.

Essentially that Jeep driver was making the decision for the older woman and the older woman was letting that jeep driver make that decision for her. Very bad practice.

I am in no way saying the biker was in no fault, but he was the third player in this string of events.

This site has some good info on right of way laws:
Right of Way

This line in particular applies directly to the situation in the video posted:
When turning left at an intersection, you must yield to oncoming traffic.

So that all said, lets play this situation back and imagine it a different way;

"Red Jeep driver pulls up in the line and the car behind him pulls up as well.

This blocks the woman wanting to turn left across 2 lanes of traffic from being able to do so. She waits and Yields until the traffic is clear and she can see.

The motorcyclist approaches the stopped traffic and stops behind the car in front of him. He might have been going too fast for everyone's personal preference, but he clearly had the stopping power to handle it at that distance."

Essentially, nothing happens, normal traffic flow."


Hinson, while the rider was not doing his job as a rider, no one should let people out. I have worked waaaayyyy to many wrecks where the driver said "he/she was letting me out I thought it was clear. About 80% of those happened on a multi lane highway. You do not know what the other driver is doing. They may look like they are going right out of a turn so you let them in front of you, next thing you know they are booking a left. It is not an asshole thing not to let someone out. It is self preservation. Now while riding/driving down the road I see someone put on their turn signal for my lane and it is safe to do so I will let them over because at that point I have control of how close to them I am even if they are getting over to make a sudden turn. Even if I am on a road and someone looks like they want to turn into a driveway I am near I will not give them clearance. How do I know they are not trying to bust a U-Turn so now they are less visible to the traffic coming from the other way due to less of their vehicle in the lane, or they look like they pull into the driveway then finish their U-Turn as I start forward thinking they are pulling into the driveway. Just my .02
Agree with everything you say here. It is not about one driver being a jerk and "not letting someone out" it is about self preservation and the safety of others around you.

Right of way and Yield Laws exist for a very good reason.
 
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